Canada has been looking outside its borders to fill a critical nurse shortage, but recruitment efforts are leaving Ghana’s hospitals short-staffed. Now Ghana’s nurse association says Canada should foot the bill for their training.
Immigration is entirely a federal matter. The provinces may utilize these nurses once they are here, and reasonably so, but the provinces do not have the jurisdiction to bring them into Canada. The provinces could not ‘steal’ them even if they wanted nothing more. Only Canada can. Which is also why Ghana is calling on Canada, not the provinces of Canada, to make amends.
I said it was shitty for the provinces to do that versus providing more slots in education and higher wages for current medical staff. Instead they steal staff from poor nations and feel no guilt for doing that … which is colonialism at its core.
Yes, that’s a fair point. But even with an investment in better wages, training and more education a critical shortage will take at least a couple years to be mitigated, and a couple years doesn’t seem to be a viable option right now.
The nurses are wanted now, not years down the line.
and higher wages for current medical staff.
Are you under the impression that current medical staff are working at only partial capacity and more money will see them step up their game? That’s a brutal insult to them.
Are you under the impression that current medical staff are working at only partial capacity and more money will see them step up their game?
No I am not. I am aware that many have to work at 2 or 3 different places to make a full-time wage and few (if any) receive benefits, which leads to them changing over to private companies where they’re paid well, make their own hours and have benefits.
No, we have a shortage because people are leaving nursing due to the high stress and low pay. I know multiple people who quit nursing, or moved somewhere with better pay, so the low pay is definitely causing the shortage.
people are leaving nursing due to the high stress and low pay
No amount of money is going to keep someone who has burned out on high stress, but this does nothing to increase the labour available anyway, unless you think nurses have “quite quitted” and will only do more work for more pay. But that is an insult to think that they have done that as clearly that is not the case. So, I’m not sure you’ve made yourself clear.
we have a shortage
A shortage is a situation where an external mechanism prevents price from rising. If we truly have a shortage, paying more is fundamentally not an option. Of course, we don’t have a shortage and I’m not sure why you are trying to claim that we do. Wishing you could have something is not a shortage. If it were, there would be effectively nothing not in a shortage situation, leaving it to be a meaningless term.
No amount of money is going to keep someone who has burned out on high stress
Yes it will. They are leaving because the pay is not worth the stress. More pay makes it more worth it.
we don’t have a shortage
Yes we do, there are not enough nurses to keep hospitals running at their designed efficiency. And the government is purposefully not paying more to fix the shortage because they want public healthcare to get worse so they can sell us on private healthcare.
We do have enough people qualified to be nurses in the country to get our hospitals back in shape, but when you can make more money as a waiter the incentive to keep nursing is low.
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Pretty shitty move by the provinces to steal a poorer nation’s medical staff to fill their shortages.
Maybe, but not shitty for the nurses
Immigration is entirely a federal matter. The provinces may utilize these nurses once they are here, and reasonably so, but the provinces do not have the jurisdiction to bring them into Canada. The provinces could not ‘steal’ them even if they wanted nothing more. Only Canada can. Which is also why Ghana is calling on Canada, not the provinces of Canada, to make amends.
Sure. Imagine how bad it is being from a poor country and being offered a lot more money, better work and life conditions. Truly awful.
I said it was shitty for the provinces to do that versus providing more slots in education and higher wages for current medical staff. Instead they steal staff from poor nations and feel no guilt for doing that … which is colonialism at its core.
Yes, that’s a fair point. But even with an investment in better wages, training and more education a critical shortage will take at least a couple years to be mitigated, and a couple years doesn’t seem to be a viable option right now.
That’s fair.
Then the provinces should have IMMEDIATELY increased enrollment to nursing AND increased wages to help keep that current staff on.
None of the problems created by provincial gov’ts should be solved by stealing nurses from other nations.
The nurses are wanted now, not years down the line.
Are you under the impression that current medical staff are working at only partial capacity and more money will see them step up their game? That’s a brutal insult to them.
No I am not. I am aware that many have to work at 2 or 3 different places to make a full-time wage and few (if any) receive benefits, which leads to them changing over to private companies where they’re paid well, make their own hours and have benefits.
No, we have a shortage because people are leaving nursing due to the high stress and low pay. I know multiple people who quit nursing, or moved somewhere with better pay, so the low pay is definitely causing the shortage.
No amount of money is going to keep someone who has burned out on high stress, but this does nothing to increase the labour available anyway, unless you think nurses have “quite quitted” and will only do more work for more pay. But that is an insult to think that they have done that as clearly that is not the case. So, I’m not sure you’ve made yourself clear.
A shortage is a situation where an external mechanism prevents price from rising. If we truly have a shortage, paying more is fundamentally not an option. Of course, we don’t have a shortage and I’m not sure why you are trying to claim that we do. Wishing you could have something is not a shortage. If it were, there would be effectively nothing not in a shortage situation, leaving it to be a meaningless term.
Yes it will. They are leaving because the pay is not worth the stress. More pay makes it more worth it.
Yes we do, there are not enough nurses to keep hospitals running at their designed efficiency. And the government is purposefully not paying more to fix the shortage because they want public healthcare to get worse so they can sell us on private healthcare.
We do have enough people qualified to be nurses in the country to get our hospitals back in shape, but when you can make more money as a waiter the incentive to keep nursing is low.