Conservative Party of BC Leader John Rustad’s distrust of accepted climate science was on full display during an almost two-hour interview with Jordan Peterson, a Canadian psychology professor who rocketed to fame several years ago with his YouTube discussions of right-wing culture war topics.

In the interview, Rustad and Peterson delve into their shared skepticism of climate science and talk about the idea that accumulated carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is actually good for the planet. It’s the opposite conclusion from accepted climate science that finds human-caused CO2 emissions are causing the Earth’s temperature to rise, leading to consequences including increases in the frequency and severity of droughts, wildfires, flooding and storms.

“It’s a sad reality, but how is it that we’ve convinced carbon-based beings that carbon is a problem?” Rustad says at one point.