Well first of all, yes it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you. The definition of stealing is not beholden to the consequences of the actions itself.
Furthermore, if you pirate to avoid paying a subscription, then yes they are losing something. I’m a massive pirate. I steal all my media. I feel no guilt and I also have no delusions about what I am doing. I do it to save money.
Yes you are taking something. Of course you are. You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to. Why do you need to convince yourself there is nothing grimy about doing? Like jesus christ, just be grimey. Wht you gotta lie to yourself?
undefined> You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to
no im not. my man you can repeat this all day but it doesnt make it true. you dont TAKE anything through the internet. this is FACT. you cant make up physics…
you can look at something and make an exact copy of it. no objects get transferred. its not a thing.
its not semantic. you are claiming a transfer of goods is happening, that is NOT TRUE.
now that this is clear we can argue about the rest but again if you want to imply some crime based on goods based transfer you are just wrong and id say in bad faith.
The product in this case is the right to view copyrighted material. You absolute can own digital material, that’s the entire point of copyright.
You have no right to the video material of say amazon. Amazon can do with their video material as they please, that is their product and they own it. They have the right to control the distribution of that product. When you priate, you infringe on their copyright, which makes it so they lose money on the service where they sell the right to view that copyrighted material. You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is stealing.
You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is not stealing.
you havent removed anything. that is a fact. copyright? i dont recognize that. still im not committing a crime when i download Tetris Effect. i can go to a cop right now and tell them and they would be like “cool” because again its not a crime.
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Is it stealing when they don’t lose anything?
Well first of all, yes it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you. The definition of stealing is not beholden to the consequences of the actions itself.
Furthermore, if you pirate to avoid paying a subscription, then yes they are losing something. I’m a massive pirate. I steal all my media. I feel no guilt and I also have no delusions about what I am doing. I do it to save money.
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undefined> es it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you
you are not taking anything . literally nothing.
im just looking at the thing and making a very good copy with my hard drive. literally taking a picture of something.
0 objects will be transferred to me in this example. nothing,nada,nulla.
Yes you are taking something. Of course you are. You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to. Why do you need to convince yourself there is nothing grimy about doing? Like jesus christ, just be grimey. Wht you gotta lie to yourself?
undefined> You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to
no im not. my man you can repeat this all day but it doesnt make it true. you dont TAKE anything through the internet. this is FACT. you cant make up physics…
you can look at something and make an exact copy of it. no objects get transferred. its not a thing.
If semantics is the hill you want to die on you’ve already lost.
its not semantic. you are claiming a transfer of goods is happening, that is NOT TRUE.
now that this is clear we can argue about the rest but again if you want to imply some crime based on goods based transfer you are just wrong and id say in bad faith.
The product in this case is the right to view copyrighted material. You absolute can own digital material, that’s the entire point of copyright.
You have no right to the video material of say amazon. Amazon can do with their video material as they please, that is their product and they own it. They have the right to control the distribution of that product. When you priate, you infringe on their copyright, which makes it so they lose money on the service where they sell the right to view that copyrighted material. You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is stealing.
You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is not stealing.
you havent removed anything. that is a fact. copyright? i dont recognize that. still im not committing a crime when i download Tetris Effect. i can go to a cop right now and tell them and they would be like “cool” because again its not a crime.
i have the right to look at whatever i find.