After a lengthy $10,000,000 lawsuit, TorGuard has conceded to movie studios and is now banning BitTorrent traffic and is now keeping logs on American users and servers.
It’s not unnecessarily restrictive. It was the entire point of discussion. Opening that up to more general straw men does nothing to further that discussion. Bristle all you want but I can see no other reason to ignore the point and argue against things that were never mentioned other than to be dishonest.
It’s ludicrous that people here can’t be honest with themselves. Piracy is theft, of one form or another. No, it’s not the same thing as stealing a physical object but no one is pretending it is. The gymnastics all over this sub are childish and tiring.
Dude, check your assumptions. I haven’t pirated anything in at least a decade. I’m just an IT guy that signed up for Lemmy and puruses the ‘all’ page.
I do think there’s an excellent case for the moral application of piracy in many situations.
Large corporations often acquire their catalog of legally protected ideas through the systemic exploitation of people. If the people who did the work have been paid every cent they’ll ever get for their work, and the work itself has recouped the cost to make it, then I see no moral imperative for the work to make another dime of revenue. Obviously that’s not a black and white issue and obviously piracy often does hurt smaller creators, so care and reason are called for here.
On the flip side sharing is core part of the basic human experience and there’s a great argument to be made that with the advent of computers (which have both reduced the technical barriers to access tools to create, and have expanded the possibilities of what can be created), copyright law is too restrictive and is actually impedes the creation of new art, running against the fundamental point of copyright in the first place. Since the average person does not have Disney money for lawyers and lobbyists piracy often seems like the sensible way to for the common person to push back.
I also think that piracy can hurt people who absolutely do not deserve it. But I’m not going to pretend a complex societal issue is as simple ‘law good, law breakers bad’.
It’s ludicrous that people here can’t be honest with themselves.
Do I not qualify as part of people here by virtue of this is where we’re talking? I suspect when you wrote that you meant to include me, but after my reply it was no longer convenient for you to lump me in with everyone else by that statement.
Maybe you’ll clarify who you meant by that, or maybe not. In either case, I wish you a great day. Thank you for the discussion in good faith.
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It’s not unnecessarily restrictive. It was the entire point of discussion. Opening that up to more general straw men does nothing to further that discussion. Bristle all you want but I can see no other reason to ignore the point and argue against things that were never mentioned other than to be dishonest.
It’s ludicrous that people here can’t be honest with themselves. Piracy is theft, of one form or another. No, it’s not the same thing as stealing a physical object but no one is pretending it is. The gymnastics all over this sub are childish and tiring.
Dude, check your assumptions. I haven’t pirated anything in at least a decade. I’m just an IT guy that signed up for Lemmy and puruses the ‘all’ page.
I do think there’s an excellent case for the moral application of piracy in many situations.
Large corporations often acquire their catalog of legally protected ideas through the systemic exploitation of people. If the people who did the work have been paid every cent they’ll ever get for their work, and the work itself has recouped the cost to make it, then I see no moral imperative for the work to make another dime of revenue. Obviously that’s not a black and white issue and obviously piracy often does hurt smaller creators, so care and reason are called for here.
On the flip side sharing is core part of the basic human experience and there’s a great argument to be made that with the advent of computers (which have both reduced the technical barriers to access tools to create, and have expanded the possibilities of what can be created), copyright law is too restrictive and is actually impedes the creation of new art, running against the fundamental point of copyright in the first place. Since the average person does not have Disney money for lawyers and lobbyists piracy often seems like the sensible way to for the common person to push back.
I also think that piracy can hurt people who absolutely do not deserve it. But I’m not going to pretend a complex societal issue is as simple ‘law good, law breakers bad’.
I never made any assumptions about you. If you can’t even be bothered to read what I’ve written, there’s no point in responding to you.
Do I not qualify as part of people here by virtue of this is where we’re talking? I suspect when you wrote that you meant to include me, but after my reply it was no longer convenient for you to lump me in with everyone else by that statement.
Maybe you’ll clarify who you meant by that, or maybe not. In either case, I wish you a great day. Thank you for the discussion in good faith.