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Do you want AI to exclusively be in the hands of big companies and the government?

Do you want the future of technology locked behind pay walls and censored so that you can’t use it to do anything they don’t want you to do?

If you think AI regulation comes in the form of making sure big companies can’t do bad things to you, you haven’t been paying attention.



I’d say good riddance but the replacement is worse



Like I said, clock is ticking. You won’t be so happy go lucky when it’s your job getting a new CEO or a big platform like YouTube denying you access to a platform.


Clock is ticking. Just wait until the companies start fucking you over with this power you’ve given them.


It doesn’t really matter whether the original data is present in the model

Yeah it does. One of the arguments people make is that AI models are just a form of compression, and as a result distributing the model is akin to distributing all the component parts. This fact invalidates that argument.

This isn’t a slam dunk argument that there’s nothing wrong with what an AI does even if we grant it is transformative. It may also simply be proving that the copyright law we have fails to protect artists in the new era of AI.

If we change the law to make it illegal it’s illegal.


Over fitting is an issue for the images that were overfit. But note in that article that those images mostly appeared many times in the data set.

People who own the rights to one of those images have a valid argument. Everyone else doesn’t.


It is illegal to use copyrighted material period outside of fair use, and this is most certainly not.

Yeah it is. Even assuming fair use applied, fair use is largely a question of how much a work is transformed and (a billion images) -> AI model is just about the most transformative use case out there.

And this assumes this matters when they’re literally not copying the original work (barring over fitting). It’s a public internet download. The “copy” is made by Facebook or whoever you uploaded the image to.

The model doesn’t contain the original artwork or parts of it. Stable diffusion literally has one byte per image of training data.


They use a ton of data as reference points. It’s literally in the name of the technology.

Reference is the wrong word.

They learn the patterns that exist in data and are able to predict future patterns.

They don’t actually reference the source material during generation (barring over itting which can happen and is roughly akin to a human memorizing something and reproducing it).



They have a supply. It’s based on their cost to produce.

companies are looking at extracting maximum value for them. You seem to dislike that.

With artificial region locks that shouldn’t exist. Open markets are better, and the bigger the market the better it is.


Literally just open up a few games in steam DB. It’s a smooth gradient of nations with differing prices. It would absolutely not be negligible.


Forcing global prices will mean that the revenue maximizing price for the first world will do down.

Publishers will not just ignore the global markets. They will just be forced to sell their games for actual value instead of “how much you can pay”


The alternative is not listing in those regions, not lowering prices for you

The alternative is marginally lower prices for the first world and higher prices for the third world as the prices become global instead of a massive grift which charges you based on how much money you’re able to spend.


Yeah they are.

The game is being sold to the third world only exist because the first world is paying as much money as they are.

It’s literally a scheme to extract more money out of people. It should be illegal to prevent people from the ability to use things like VPNs to get those cheaper prices opening up the market and ensuring the prices actually match supply and demand.


Oh I think they are making more revenue by charging the first world more, but I also think they shouldn’t be able to get away with it.


How do you think a price for a product is found in capitalism

It should be priced on supply and demand. It should be priced based on companies like steam having no ability to control which country someone purchases from and everyone on the first world just using a VPN to jump borders and fix the cheapest country available.

Basically we just been a regulation making it illegal for companies like steam to deny people access to regional pricing. Then they will be forced to find a price point that matches supply with demand, instead of fleecing the first world for more money


there aren’t any costs to subsidize.

Literally the entire development cost. Games don’t appear for free. They are developed with the money you pay.

Regional pricing is basically saying that for some reason video games should cost more because you have more money to spend on them.

That’s just asinine. Every other industry that tries it gets widely criticized for it. If you want to get more money out of people with more money, give them more stuff. Don’t arbitrarily decide something costs more in one country than it doesn’t another even though the distribution costs are identical and the development costs are identical between them.


Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I’m the go to guy because I understand vim macros.

Especially if you have any form of RSI.

I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user.


Those features aren’t enabled nor integrated. They’re added to Vim at its extensibility points.

And that has to be just about one of the pettiest to distinctions known to man.

It’s still built to write code. Yes text is code, but vim is not a text editor in general,. It’s made for programmers, nobody else is crazy enough to learn such obtuse syntax or want to have a developer with a scripting language built into it.

The features are in the editor. They are integrated with the editor. Yes, it’s through plugins, but they’re still part of the editor instead of part of some different program.

The word integrated literally just means you don’t go into some other program to run your build.

It’s an integrated environment for development.

It’s an IDE!

It has debuggers.

It has syntax highlighting

It has compiling.

Even if you have to install them as plugins, it’s designed to be doing all of those things.


Vim isn’t designed to facilitate the use of vimscript, vimscript is just an extensibility feature of Vim.

Vim is designed to edit code, by the people who were doing it back in the 70s and all of its features are there to enable better, faster, and more efficient editing.

It has scripts for the sake of those scripts enabling integrated developer features. Because they’re part of vim they’re in the environment and the program is used predominantly for development.


In that case every IDE is “just a text editor” because basically every IDE is built around modularity in this same way. This is just nitpicking over what is preinstalled.


“You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it’s easily made into a boat and it’s already waterproof but it’s just a normal car”


You’re not a normal text editor if you have a built in scripting language.


Not really, or that doesn’t feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style.

Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe?


It literally has a built in scripting language.


Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It’s usable as an editor but overkill.

Nano serves a difference purpose. It’s like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better.


I’d rather force companies to not use third world labor so they stop suppressing our salaries and pushing down investment in first world labor productivity.


May all regional pricing end. I do not want to subsidize development costs for third world nations.


Technical people down below were like “yeah cool, but there’s no place for it

I think you might underestimate entertainment and creation. Right now I can imagine some character or scenario in my head and generate a little avatar with stable situation then render it onto a live chat that (mostly) works.

I’ve paid like 2k for a computer that enables this. It’s make money from me at least.



It’s all about the idle power and software support.


Read this guy’s post history, it’s hilarious to see a genuine angry Canadian nationalist.


"I believe this only underscores my point

I was caught peddling bunk folk psychology to peddle my conspiracy theory about we are all getting manipulated to serve the evil overlords and that only makes my point stronger

You didn’t engage with the study itself.

I don’t engage with flat earth bullshit or other conspiracy theories either. I engage with things that are worth engaging with. An Amazon pundit piece peddling crap about your free will being taken away subliminal messages goes into the instant trash with the other garbage.


When you start out with such a massively misleading statement like:

Industry is responsible for more than 20% of all emissions

When industry is literally stuff like cars, industrial equipment, oil production, basically all chemical production, and so on and so forth.

Cheap disposable plastic mall trinkets are not a major industrial sector. The vast majority of industrial spend is stuff that actually improves people’s lives.

If you’re going to start criticizing “products” then again you’re talking about stuff that for the most part people just want. And stuff for the most part that people would want regardless of advertisements.

This:

You have never been under your own motivation

Is what I’m talking about when I say it’s conspiracy thinking.

Maybe.

Just maybe.

People are able to think for themselves.

It’s extra hilarious that you link a study on subliminal messaging, which is one of the fields in psychology that have been embroiled in reproducibility issues and fraud.



We all understanding that department stores and companies sold us all kinds of things we didn’t need

The vast majority of this isn’t what makes up the economy or fossil fuel emissions and generally the people engaged in random department store shopping are doing it well under their own motivation.

Life pre department store era , we’re talking pre 50s, you’d be considered insane to have the stuff we do

Fantastically wealthy you mean. People in the 50s wanted to have all this crap too. They just couldn’t have it because the economy was tiny.


Yeah, they “convinced us” to want to buy things.

Dumbest Marxist conspiracy theory out there. People like having stuff. You can convince them to get different stuff but people aren’t going to go all hobbit and live a simple life if given the choice 9 of ten times


You greatly underestimate the incentives at play here. In France it wasn’t the wealthy who rioted over the gas tax. It was the average person.

The rich for the most part can afford and handle a transition, but the guy who is just barely making it now with the supercharged fossil fuel economy? They will not give up what they have in a million years. Not willingly.

There’s some issue with like big companies wanting to keep their business model and lobbying for it, which is a real concern, but that’s going to be a concern even with public companies with no “one percent” making the decisions.