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I think we’re protecting the northern passage. With everything melting, a lot of shipping traffic will start going through there, and we want that income.


You have provided exactly as many sources as the person you are responding to. If you think that you are somehow in a stronger debate position, you are incorrect.


There’s a lot of leads in the article itself. Links to other articles. CBC has an entire Indigenous section linked in the header. Go to APTN. Find out who the tribe closest to you is and go to their website. Look for “Resources” sections.

Go to your local library’s website and search for “truth and reconciliation”. Read the recommendations. Read books and articles and watch YouTube videos discussing the recommendations. Make sure they are created by First Nations, Métis and Inuit. Go to wikipedia and search for any three of those peoples. If you’re in a densely enough populated area walk into a bookstore and find something on the display of books on the topics.

Change your information diet so that some of the music you consume, some of the video games you play, some of the podcasts you listen to are created by indigenous communities inside Canada’s borders and around the world. Watch TV shows like Rez Dogs, graphic novels like The Outside Circle.

If I may project a bit, it seems like it may be that you are overwhelmed about where to start, not ignorant of sources of knowledge. It doesn’t matter where you start. Pick something that catches your interest and follow threads. The only thing that can happen is that you learn something.


I understand how this person’s responses are frustrating to you, but educating us is no one else’s responsibility, and people are allowed to assert that you’re wrong. You can choose how to engage with such people, but I mean if you haven’t confirmed that you understand the difference between the two types of agreements (I also don’t know, no shame there) then instead of insisting that it is someone else’s responsibility to educate you, do some legwork on your own.

Or don’t, maybe they’re just an asshole. But don’t demand people do unpaid labour on your behalf.



I spent a bit of time digging about and couldn’t readily find information specifically about pensioners, but it was an interesting bit of digging to do, so thanks for the opportunity! I couldn’t find specific data for the number of Canadian pensioners who have jobs. There is plenty about people aged 65 and up that I believe supports my assertion.

A nice high level quick find was [this 2017 Canada Census analysis from statscan( https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2016/as-sa/98-200-x/2016027/98-200-x2016027-eng.cfm). There’s a small section that includes some information that seniors with private income (savings or pensions) work less frequently than those with none but there’s not really hard data there and it wasn’t obvious to me which sources they were drawing from. A couple of the most relevant bits from the Highlights section are:

In 2015, one in five Canadians aged 65 and older, or nearly 1.1 million seniors, reported working during the year. This is the highest proportion recorded since the 1981 Census. Employment income was the main source of income for 43.8% of seniors who worked in 2015, up from 40.4% in 2005 and 38.8% in 1995.

One of the data sets published in 2023 is “Employment income statistics by industry sectors, Indigenous identity, highest level of education, work activity during the reference year, age and gender: Canada, provinces and territories, census metropolitan areas and census agglomerations with parts

The link has the data filtered to those 65+, and the top row in the table shows that the total number of income recipients is 1,079,410. Per this 2022 report there are around 7 million Canadians who are 65+, which is somewhere around 14%.


Note that you’re using the term “retiree” in this example, but were talking about pensioners previously.

A lot of pensioners do keep working. Many because they enjoy working. Many because they need the money. The government specifically publishes information on the rules: https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/retirement-planning/working-collecting-pension.html