Dude I understand where you coming from but no admins wants to deal with legal shit when they pay for infrastructure and some donation. I understand completely why they’re defederating so guys like you and me should stfu and use their free stuff that we got without being tracked by big tech and getting our data harvested.
I get “in the real world” is different but lemmy.world shouldn’t be held responsible for what another instance or their users are doing.
Where is the line drawn? I buy a harddrive to store movies, use my ISP to download it, power company to run the PC. Should we sue them also? Should they try and censor what I do? WD sees a movie on my disk, should they delete it?
I see what you’re saying, and I wish that was the case. To play devil’s advocate here though, at least your ISP and WD have a legal team (at least I’d assume) to deal with frivolous lawsuits - most Lemmy admins however do not.
WD also can’t feasibly remove the content from your drive (yet?), that would be easy to prove to any judge. That is not the case for instance admins where it’d be easy for anyone to testify that there is indeed a “Purge/Block Community” button available for instance admins.
Yeah, and my ISP has been legally told to block all Access to IPTV and do so. Why this happens I don’t understand (or agree with). Going after the source is the only one true way to stop access.
Cloudflare is a popular service for public torrent sites because they cache the content, protect from DDOS, and hide the server address. They’re not on the hook for what their customers do.
Agreed! If I had to take a guess, its a Risk vs Reward game so-to-speak. Your ISP doesn’t really have anything to lose by complying, but Cloudflare’s whole business revolves around reputation (something most ISPs clearly don’t care about unfortunately) along with being a massive CDN. To them, the risk of having their reputation sullied by someone going “I don’t like this” and taking down a potentially paying customer’s site makes it worthwhile fighting the legal battles that could come out of not complying with a takedown request.
Just guessing of course, but it would somewhat make sense.
The way lemmy is programmed is kinda ghettoz youre not getting it straight from another instance - first the request gets saved on lemmy.world, then send to you from its cache.
The saving of this cache puts them at rist of hosting copyrighted material (even if copyright is bullshit)
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Dude I understand where you coming from but no admins wants to deal with legal shit when they pay for infrastructure and some donation. I understand completely why they’re defederating so guys like you and me should stfu and use their free stuff that we got without being tracked by big tech and getting our data harvested.
I get “in the real world” is different but lemmy.world shouldn’t be held responsible for what another instance or their users are doing.
Where is the line drawn? I buy a harddrive to store movies, use my ISP to download it, power company to run the PC. Should we sue them also? Should they try and censor what I do? WD sees a movie on my disk, should they delete it?
I see what you’re saying, and I wish that was the case. To play devil’s advocate here though, at least your ISP and WD have a legal team (at least I’d assume) to deal with frivolous lawsuits - most Lemmy admins however do not.
WD also can’t feasibly remove the content from your drive (yet?), that would be easy to prove to any judge. That is not the case for instance admins where it’d be easy for anyone to testify that there is indeed a “Purge/Block Community” button available for instance admins.
Yeah, and my ISP has been legally told to block all Access to IPTV and do so. Why this happens I don’t understand (or agree with). Going after the source is the only one true way to stop access.
Cloudflare is a popular service for public torrent sites because they cache the content, protect from DDOS, and hide the server address. They’re not on the hook for what their customers do.
Agreed! If I had to take a guess, its a Risk vs Reward game so-to-speak. Your ISP doesn’t really have anything to lose by complying, but Cloudflare’s whole business revolves around reputation (something most ISPs clearly don’t care about unfortunately) along with being a massive CDN. To them, the risk of having their reputation sullied by someone going “I don’t like this” and taking down a potentially paying customer’s site makes it worthwhile fighting the legal battles that could come out of not complying with a takedown request.
Just guessing of course, but it would somewhat make sense.
The way lemmy is programmed is kinda ghettoz youre not getting it straight from another instance - first the request gets saved on lemmy.world, then send to you from its cache.
The saving of this cache puts them at rist of hosting copyrighted material (even if copyright is bullshit)
I don’t see how that risk is any greater than any mailing list potentially forwarding copyrighted material.
As long as the instance would comply with any relevant DMCA request, it seems unlikely that legal action could be taken against them.