I need to put some order with the photos I take and I receive with my android phone. Just now I use Nextcloud sync client to upload and Photo/Memories Nextcloud Apps to manage photos.
However, I am not very happy with this setup because of the lack of one Android Application for photos and, thus, the photo gallery of my phone is totally different to the Photo/Memories timeline. And photos are not deleted from my mobile phone when I delete them in Photo/Memories. Which selfhosted photo manager do you think is better to backup and manage photos in sync with the phone?
A second question, is it better to manage the photo gallery with a folder structure or with the album functionality of the Photo application? Which is the best interoperable solution? If I use albums in Memories then I can export those albums to Immich, Librephotos… ? Or I would have to create all the albums again after the export?
I wanted to try Immich but I quickly found out you can’t simply point it at an existing folder structure like say Plex or Jellyfin. You have to “import” all your files via a client and if you’re like me and already have thousands of images in Nextcloud then even with their bulk upload CLI tool it is too much of a hassle.
Plus I don’t want to be locked into their format, I want to be able to switch if the project goes under or I find something better later on. Nextcloud’s photo management is not great but I am willing to sack some speed and usability for using raw folders rather than a database.
I switched from nextcloud to immich and the cli import was super easy and had a nice progress bar which made me feel productive. The images are just in directories on the filesystem unlike seafile.
10/10 would recommend. Shit feels premium as well.
Immich actually organizes your photos in a simple directory structure, which is customizable (want to group by year? year+month? by day? not at all?). The images are right there in your file system and have the original file name.
The directory is “read-only” though, for the same reason as there is a need to import existing libraries: database synchronization.
Immich offers many features that require a database or pre-processing of files, which makes it fast and feature-rich. If you modify files outside of Immich, it cannot know what changed and loses track of where your media is.
As I said, the (read-only) file structure is always there in case you want to switch.
From what I understand (I could be wrong) all of the images get imported into a single folder and albums are done via the database. I currently have my albums in individual folders. So not only would I have to recreate dozens of albums but I don’t think there would be any way to export them in the future. But if that isn’t how it works maybe I will give it another go.
Interesting. Being able to import them using the folders as albums is fantastic, although it seems like there is no {{album}} variable for the storage template so the problem still persists. Once I’m using it there would be no easy to way to export the albums out.
AFAIK immich organize photos with albums not in folders. So, If i move from immich to another software (librephotos, photoprism…), the new software is aware of albums? I am worried on organizing my photos every time I change of photo management application.
That’s an organizational issue. I think almost all photo software (except lychee) is more “hands-off, everything internal” because of a few reasons:
If you sync between clients, do you want the software constantly shuffling files around on every device if something is changed in one album?
if you have chronological folders, do you want to make duplicates (double or triple the space) for every album including said picture?
If you work with albums, how do you deal with random folders not in albums?
how do you deal with conflicts of photos being put in different albums on different synced devices?
The solution for all of these is “leave the files where they are” and deal with everything via databases to organize photos. This way you can export or download albums for giving to someone and it will just pull all of the relevant files without having sync or reorganization issues.
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i’m a fan of immich, but i don’t think it deletes photos from your phone when deleting it on the server.
not yet, it is planned but not there yet
I wanted to try Immich but I quickly found out you can’t simply point it at an existing folder structure like say Plex or Jellyfin. You have to “import” all your files via a client and if you’re like me and already have thousands of images in Nextcloud then even with their bulk upload CLI tool it is too much of a hassle.
Plus I don’t want to be locked into their format, I want to be able to switch if the project goes under or I find something better later on. Nextcloud’s photo management is not great but I am willing to sack some speed and usability for using raw folders rather than a database.
I switched from nextcloud to immich and the cli import was super easy and had a nice progress bar which made me feel productive. The images are just in directories on the filesystem unlike seafile.
10/10 would recommend. Shit feels premium as well.
Immich actually organizes your photos in a simple directory structure, which is customizable (want to group by year? year+month? by day? not at all?). The images are right there in your file system and have the original file name.
The directory is “read-only” though, for the same reason as there is a need to import existing libraries: database synchronization.
Immich offers many features that require a database or pre-processing of files, which makes it fast and feature-rich. If you modify files outside of Immich, it cannot know what changed and loses track of where your media is.
As I said, the (read-only) file structure is always there in case you want to switch.
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I didn’t see any unique format for how Immich stores photos, they’re just on the filesystem as images.
From what I understand (I could be wrong) all of the images get imported into a single folder and albums are done via the database. I currently have my albums in individual folders. So not only would I have to recreate dozens of albums but I don’t think there would be any way to export them in the future. But if that isn’t how it works maybe I will give it another go.
Storage Templates. Photos are stored in subdirectories categorized by date.
CLI Import. It looks like you may be able to import your albums with the cli and --album flag, not sure about exporting though.
Interesting. Being able to import them using the folders as albums is fantastic, although it seems like there is no {{album}} variable for the storage template so the problem still persists. Once I’m using it there would be no easy to way to export the albums out.
AFAIK immich organize photos with albums not in folders. So, If i move from immich to another software (librephotos, photoprism…), the new software is aware of albums? I am worried on organizing my photos every time I change of photo management application.
That’s an organizational issue. I think almost all photo software (except lychee) is more “hands-off, everything internal” because of a few reasons:
If you sync between clients, do you want the software constantly shuffling files around on every device if something is changed in one album?
if you have chronological folders, do you want to make duplicates (double or triple the space) for every album including said picture?
If you work with albums, how do you deal with random folders not in albums?
how do you deal with conflicts of photos being put in different albums on different synced devices?
The solution for all of these is “leave the files where they are” and deal with everything via databases to organize photos. This way you can export or download albums for giving to someone and it will just pull all of the relevant files without having sync or reorganization issues.