Explain your reasoning to mulriple people I know renting a single room or a basement while the entire rest of house is empty due to the foreign owner moving back to thier country after adding a single person to get around vacancy law. one friend hasn’t seen their owner in over 3 years. 3500 sq ft home empty. There are tons of these that drive housing scarcity and can’t go above 2.4
There aren’t as many as you think, and it’s a small number in the scale of the Canadian housing market.
Remember, the residential ownership rate in Canada is still above 65%. Dedicated rental units add another 20-25% to that, then theres a bunch of smaller scale concepts that use up the remainder like multiple ownerships, vacation homes, etc.
I agree that the absent foreign owners need to be pressured out, they aren’t helping, and my proposal to fix the housing situation does that as a side effect anyways. It’s just not a big enough problem to move the needle compared to the actual problem.
Until we reign in land values appreciating, housing prices can’t go down. Land values will not go down by zoning for more units, they actually go up when you do that.
Residential ownership at 65% includes people that buy a house and don’t move in, but claim it is occupied. there is one across the street. Sold last year, nobody moved in weeds have grown through the porch boards.
when trying to rent, many of the properties were foreign owned and manager said owner never comes here so you can rent as long as you like. However they wanted extra non legal terms like we would be responsible for house repairs etc. manager stated owner didnt care if it was rented or not. Had sat empty for more than six months…with no income. The owners are rich enough to just sit on properties. This happens more than you think, especially in Vanvouver.
Yes and no. They can only claim one residence, and they have to be PR status.
Vancouver(metro)is not the only part of Canada, it’s only about 6% of the total units in the country.
Everyone claims they know a home that’s empty, but they also know a few hundred that are occupied. They can’t see the percentage is very low because of mental bias.
The residency rule is new. it will help, but you realize people lie right? A friend of mine knows a foreign owner, they own 4 places, they just put random family names on paperwork. They take actions to look like they want to fill with tennants, but they absolutely don’t care if it stays empty, because the goal ia not a supporting income.
i was renting a townhome via property manager, we had an issue that needed owner consent, and strata waa getting extremely frustrated that the properry manager could not provide service address or phone number of the owner. it is a absolute shit show in BC.
If these liars make up a large enough percentage of the market that they would actually impact housing prices, then why is there absolutely no data on them.
The government and other bodies estimate black market, underreporting, and unreported stats all the time. Everything from drugs through to illegal guns gets tracked. There’s absolutely nothing on this though.
I don’t have a problem with cracking down on these people, go right ahead, but the high cost of housing/land isn’t a Canada only problem and is happening even in countries with little to no immigration or foreign ownership. That by itself should tell you that the primary factor is something else.
It’s a very nice scapegoat. Go ahead and kill it and then tell me housing prices are affordable again, I’ll be waiting. Luckily I bought my own house already, so that I can make a huge profit while these policies all fail. The government has no intention of actually fixing this, because the actual fix would upset too many voters (by devaluing their homes)
Probably the same reason BC had well known money laundering at the casino and through paying cash for housing and cash for exotic cars and did nothing for over a decade plus.
i’m not saying it is the only driver, Airbnb takes homes out of the residential pool.
As well as pandemic bumping costs.
i’m totally on the fence about how to handle known vacancies. On one hand it needs to stop, but ratting out owners seems like when german neighbours rattes out jews to the ss. Just has a icky feeling of turning over people to tue gov’t.
We had numbers on money laundering the entire time. The fix was being ignored, but not the reporting on it. In this case, there’s no reporting on it.
The problem with this situation is that you’re right, but not in the right way. Airbnb DOES take housing out of the residential pool. It’s just not enough to affect prices by a significant amount. Even the highest studies I’ve seen say it accounts for less than 20% of the total increase in value we’ve seen over the last few years.
It’s just a very easy to blame demographic, it’s a small enough number of people and often foreign. Like I said though, go ahead and ban it, it doesn’t bother me at all. Just don’t come crying to me when 10 years from now housing is STILL more expensive than today because we didn’t address the actual problem.
I’m a homeowner, I own one house. I’m the problem. My wife and I have made over a million dollars in appreciation over the last decade.
Until that stops, housing will never become affordable. None of the proposals from governments address that at all, because it would hurt too many homeowners and they’d get voted out.
Until existing house prices drop significantly, we will never see affordable housing. Even if you managed to just stop them growing (0% growth rate in house costs) it would take something like 70 years for houses to become affordable at current wage growth rates.
You are right nobody will push for a fix because everyone has too big a mortgage that is not really the true property value in a normal market. So the problem remains under reported.
The numbers to look at are what a house sold for compared to asking price. 15 yeara ago ( in Southern ontario ) you never paid over always under asking or close to. Different now since displaced Toronto owners bought in London amd Windsor.
Here in BC we had 1 day on market and a flurry of “investors” dropping 50k to 100k over just to secure it. We also have bus tours and flyers for offshore buyers. Maybe it is difficult to equate linear connection numbers but a single house sold over asking drives up rest of “values” because the person that didn’t make the cut on that place steps down a home level but offers more to secure it. Pushing the person in that market out. It has a knock on effect increasing price throughout the market, not just one house. And the biggest casualty is a low income earner being pushed to the street.
so I don’t see 1 out of 50 homes being Airbnb or foreigned owned as a 2% problem.
Maybe I’m at the class level where I see how much it affects friends, family, coworkers, so claiming it isn’t a big issues seems incorrect.
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Explain your reasoning to mulriple people I know renting a single room or a basement while the entire rest of house is empty due to the foreign owner moving back to thier country after adding a single person to get around vacancy law. one friend hasn’t seen their owner in over 3 years. 3500 sq ft home empty. There are tons of these that drive housing scarcity and can’t go above 2.4
There aren’t as many as you think, and it’s a small number in the scale of the Canadian housing market.
Remember, the residential ownership rate in Canada is still above 65%. Dedicated rental units add another 20-25% to that, then theres a bunch of smaller scale concepts that use up the remainder like multiple ownerships, vacation homes, etc.
I agree that the absent foreign owners need to be pressured out, they aren’t helping, and my proposal to fix the housing situation does that as a side effect anyways. It’s just not a big enough problem to move the needle compared to the actual problem.
Until we reign in land values appreciating, housing prices can’t go down. Land values will not go down by zoning for more units, they actually go up when you do that.
Residential ownership at 65% includes people that buy a house and don’t move in, but claim it is occupied. there is one across the street. Sold last year, nobody moved in weeds have grown through the porch boards. when trying to rent, many of the properties were foreign owned and manager said owner never comes here so you can rent as long as you like. However they wanted extra non legal terms like we would be responsible for house repairs etc. manager stated owner didnt care if it was rented or not. Had sat empty for more than six months…with no income. The owners are rich enough to just sit on properties. This happens more than you think, especially in Vanvouver.
Yes and no. They can only claim one residence, and they have to be PR status.
Vancouver(metro)is not the only part of Canada, it’s only about 6% of the total units in the country.
Everyone claims they know a home that’s empty, but they also know a few hundred that are occupied. They can’t see the percentage is very low because of mental bias.
The residency rule is new. it will help, but you realize people lie right? A friend of mine knows a foreign owner, they own 4 places, they just put random family names on paperwork. They take actions to look like they want to fill with tennants, but they absolutely don’t care if it stays empty, because the goal ia not a supporting income. i was renting a townhome via property manager, we had an issue that needed owner consent, and strata waa getting extremely frustrated that the properry manager could not provide service address or phone number of the owner. it is a absolute shit show in BC.
If these liars make up a large enough percentage of the market that they would actually impact housing prices, then why is there absolutely no data on them.
The government and other bodies estimate black market, underreporting, and unreported stats all the time. Everything from drugs through to illegal guns gets tracked. There’s absolutely nothing on this though.
I don’t have a problem with cracking down on these people, go right ahead, but the high cost of housing/land isn’t a Canada only problem and is happening even in countries with little to no immigration or foreign ownership. That by itself should tell you that the primary factor is something else.
It’s a very nice scapegoat. Go ahead and kill it and then tell me housing prices are affordable again, I’ll be waiting. Luckily I bought my own house already, so that I can make a huge profit while these policies all fail. The government has no intention of actually fixing this, because the actual fix would upset too many voters (by devaluing their homes)
Probably the same reason BC had well known money laundering at the casino and through paying cash for housing and cash for exotic cars and did nothing for over a decade plus. i’m not saying it is the only driver, Airbnb takes homes out of the residential pool. As well as pandemic bumping costs. i’m totally on the fence about how to handle known vacancies. On one hand it needs to stop, but ratting out owners seems like when german neighbours rattes out jews to the ss. Just has a icky feeling of turning over people to tue gov’t.
We had numbers on money laundering the entire time. The fix was being ignored, but not the reporting on it. In this case, there’s no reporting on it.
The problem with this situation is that you’re right, but not in the right way. Airbnb DOES take housing out of the residential pool. It’s just not enough to affect prices by a significant amount. Even the highest studies I’ve seen say it accounts for less than 20% of the total increase in value we’ve seen over the last few years.
It’s just a very easy to blame demographic, it’s a small enough number of people and often foreign. Like I said though, go ahead and ban it, it doesn’t bother me at all. Just don’t come crying to me when 10 years from now housing is STILL more expensive than today because we didn’t address the actual problem.
I’m a homeowner, I own one house. I’m the problem. My wife and I have made over a million dollars in appreciation over the last decade. Until that stops, housing will never become affordable. None of the proposals from governments address that at all, because it would hurt too many homeowners and they’d get voted out.
Until existing house prices drop significantly, we will never see affordable housing. Even if you managed to just stop them growing (0% growth rate in house costs) it would take something like 70 years for houses to become affordable at current wage growth rates.
You are right nobody will push for a fix because everyone has too big a mortgage that is not really the true property value in a normal market. So the problem remains under reported. The numbers to look at are what a house sold for compared to asking price. 15 yeara ago ( in Southern ontario ) you never paid over always under asking or close to. Different now since displaced Toronto owners bought in London amd Windsor. Here in BC we had 1 day on market and a flurry of “investors” dropping 50k to 100k over just to secure it. We also have bus tours and flyers for offshore buyers. Maybe it is difficult to equate linear connection numbers but a single house sold over asking drives up rest of “values” because the person that didn’t make the cut on that place steps down a home level but offers more to secure it. Pushing the person in that market out. It has a knock on effect increasing price throughout the market, not just one house. And the biggest casualty is a low income earner being pushed to the street. so I don’t see 1 out of 50 homes being Airbnb or foreigned owned as a 2% problem. Maybe I’m at the class level where I see how much it affects friends, family, coworkers, so claiming it isn’t a big issues seems incorrect.