I hate this mentality of bucketing Liberals and NDP together. They’re different parties with different policies, and one of the main benefits of PR is that leftists don’t have to compromise our values and vote Liberal just to prevent Conservatives from winning. Treating it like left vs right just pushes us towards the Democrat vs Republican in the US.
That’s probably true for NDP voters (i.e. they’d rather have a Liberal government than CPC), but I don’t think it’s true that Liberal voters would rather have NDP than Conservative.
We’re both just speculating though, there’s probably some actual info on this from people studying ranked ballots
Ever since the merger of the Progressive Conservative party and the Reform party, the new Conservative party is now taking all the votes of anyone leaning right. Meanwhile, anyone sitting left of them is split up into multiple parties, which actually represents more Canadians proportionally. But, because of the system that we have, the Conservatives are always closer to the majority or have majority.
There was a bit of a break in the right with Maxime Bernier’s new far-right party, but PP is working really hard to cater to these people to go get their votes.
This is the same argument that my original comment is against. You just labelled the Liberal + NDP bucket as “left”.
If we had a ranked ballot (I don’t actually want ranked ballot, but it’s useful for demonstrating my point), I would rank NDP as 1 and not rank Liberals or CPC because I don’t like either of them. Just because the Liberals are left of the CPC does not make them “left”, and does not magically earn them every NDP vote.
Likewise, I’m sure there are Liberal voters who would rather have CPC than NDP.
There is no collective “left” of all NDP + Liberal voters.
This is the same argument that my original comment is against. You just labelled the Liberal + NDP bucket as “left”.
No. I said anyone sitting left of them, as in left of the conservative party. God knows that the Liberal party is neoliberal which isn’t left at all. Just slightly left of the CPC.
There is no collective “left” of all NDP + Liberal voters.
Well that’s true. And that’s what I was trying to say in my comment. The real “left” isn’t voting for the Liberals. But the real “left” is broken down into multiple parties, with the NDP being the biggest one.
That being said, that’s one of the reasons why the CPC is so strong compared to the rest. And that’s also why the NDP had to make an alliance with the Liberal party. This allows them to pass legislation with a little bit of compromise from both NDP and Liberals.
Easy. He just has to open the constitution to make those reforms. Nothing bad ever happens when we try to change the constitution. All the provinces always agree and there is definitely no lingering constitutional issues that we haven’t been able to resolve in more than four decades.
He shouldn’t have made that promise. He should have been aware that electoral reforms would need to change the constitution and that every time we try do that, the country nearly implodes. So we just keep status quo until the constitutional crisis will be big enough that we can’t ignore it anymore. I don’t know what he was thinking. Maybe he thought we would all forget about it.
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How I read this poll: 55% of Canadians want a party to the political left of the Conservatives to win.
How our FPTP system reads this poll: 70% of ridings want the Conservatives to win.
I hate this mentality of bucketing Liberals and NDP together. They’re different parties with different policies, and one of the main benefits of PR is that leftists don’t have to compromise our values and vote Liberal just to prevent Conservatives from winning. Treating it like left vs right just pushes us towards the Democrat vs Republican in the US.
Anything the US does Canada does just a little later.
Ah fuck off. People voting for both liberal or NDP would prefer either one to win over the conservatives any day of the week.
That’s probably true for NDP voters (i.e. they’d rather have a Liberal government than CPC), but I don’t think it’s true that Liberal voters would rather have NDP than Conservative.
We’re both just speculating though, there’s probably some actual info on this from people studying ranked ballots
Ever since the merger of the Progressive Conservative party and the Reform party, the new Conservative party is now taking all the votes of anyone leaning right. Meanwhile, anyone sitting left of them is split up into multiple parties, which actually represents more Canadians proportionally. But, because of the system that we have, the Conservatives are always closer to the majority or have majority.
There was a bit of a break in the right with Maxime Bernier’s new far-right party, but PP is working really hard to cater to these people to go get their votes.
This is the same argument that my original comment is against. You just labelled the Liberal + NDP bucket as “left”.
If we had a ranked ballot (I don’t actually want ranked ballot, but it’s useful for demonstrating my point), I would rank NDP as 1 and not rank Liberals or CPC because I don’t like either of them. Just because the Liberals are left of the CPC does not make them “left”, and does not magically earn them every NDP vote.
Likewise, I’m sure there are Liberal voters who would rather have CPC than NDP.
There is no collective “left” of all NDP + Liberal voters.
No. I said anyone sitting left of them, as in left of the conservative party. God knows that the Liberal party is neoliberal which isn’t left at all. Just slightly left of the CPC.
Well that’s true. And that’s what I was trying to say in my comment. The real “left” isn’t voting for the Liberals. But the real “left” is broken down into multiple parties, with the NDP being the biggest one.
That being said, that’s one of the reasons why the CPC is so strong compared to the rest. And that’s also why the NDP had to make an alliance with the Liberal party. This allows them to pass legislation with a little bit of compromise from both NDP and Liberals.
I wish Trudeau had kept his promise for election reform, would come in handy for the party now!
Easy. He just has to open the constitution to make those reforms. Nothing bad ever happens when we try to change the constitution. All the provinces always agree and there is definitely no lingering constitutional issues that we haven’t been able to resolve in more than four decades.
He shouldn’t have made that promise. He should have been aware that electoral reforms would need to change the constitution and that every time we try do that, the country nearly implodes. So we just keep status quo until the constitutional crisis will be big enough that we can’t ignore it anymore. I don’t know what he was thinking. Maybe he thought we would all forget about it.