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I thought you were OP, so add their line about democracy being driven from the bottom up to your post and tell me if you can see the “If you people had just voted for the Democrats harder” in there.
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Then coffeetest, who I assume you were thinking is OP maybe?, posted:
Democrats are absolutely a part of “the establishment,” and yes, I would fully agree that they failed us. I would also strongly agree with that second “bottom up” statement. Like I say, anyone who’s part of the establishment will always “fail us” unless forced not to, Democrats included, for reasons I already touched on.
It really feels like you’re trying to shoehorn a “counterpoint” about the Democrats being bad into a conversation that was already specifically about how they are bad (along with the rest of the establishment, and also along with the low level of citizen involvement) and what to do about it. Why are you singling out the Democrats so hard right now?