Given that there are no ideal moves in any direction, I feel that standing up to the bully is the only option on the table. They failed to do that in 1939.
No joke, I can see UK and France offering nuclear retaliation response promise to Canada, outside of NATO. I think trump really is dumb enough to start real war with for example Canada. NATO is dead, rest of the west needs to make similar protection agreements without USA, besides NATO , for when shit really hits the fan (I think it will, it’s a matter of when, not if).
It has been hotly debated, mostly in regards to Greece and Türkiye, who have been at each other’s throats for decades. In that case, the aggressor likely wouldn’t be obvious and both are likely to claim article 5. Their relations to other NATO members are also a lot more ambiguous, some favoring one, some the other.
In the case of a rogue USA attacking Canada, or Denmark, I believe the case would be a lot clearer.
And another thing. Its America’s job to police this mess, they installed him either directly or indirectly. The rest of the world didn’t ask or vote for this dangerous toddler.
Don’t fret… I have absolutely no expectations that Americans can pull out of this power dive. I just hope that most of the damage will be self inflicted.
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Isolating a fascist power with the strongest military in the world doesn’t work. Eventually they work up the balls to use it.
Every nation should be prepared for what happens when the purge of the US military and government is complete and only loyalists hold power.
Given that there are no ideal moves in any direction, I feel that standing up to the bully is the only option on the table. They failed to do that in 1939.
What happens if a NATO country Attack another NATO country?
No joke, I can see UK and France offering nuclear retaliation response promise to Canada, outside of NATO. I think trump really is dumb enough to start real war with for example Canada. NATO is dead, rest of the west needs to make similar protection agreements without USA, besides NATO , for when shit really hits the fan (I think it will, it’s a matter of when, not if).
Well, article 5 doesn’t apply then. Other agreements may still apply.
Of course it applies! Where are you getting that it doesn’t from?
From article 5 from the NATO treaty actually. It states that it applies to attacks from external actors, i.e. non-members.
Edit: the article or nato treaty doesn’t state it that explicitly actually. But a quick google show that it’s at least the consensus interpretation
Which America would be if they leave NATO…
It has been hotly debated, mostly in regards to Greece and Türkiye, who have been at each other’s throats for decades. In that case, the aggressor likely wouldn’t be obvious and both are likely to claim article 5. Their relations to other NATO members are also a lot more ambiguous, some favoring one, some the other.
In the case of a rogue USA attacking Canada, or Denmark, I believe the case would be a lot clearer.
And another thing. Its America’s job to police this mess, they installed him either directly or indirectly. The rest of the world didn’t ask or vote for this dangerous toddler.
There are plenty of the dead who weren’t responsible for what killed them.
I’m not sure what to make of that in context. Do you mean that we should just suck it up?
Suck up the reality that counting on Americans to handle Trump isn’t a plan, it’s a hope.
Don’t fret… I have absolutely no expectations that Americans can pull out of this power dive. I just hope that most of the damage will be self inflicted.
It is still the right thing to do. As you say, we just all need to be prepared for it.