Now you can find the same 4K video from few GBs to a hundred GBs, and I am wondering: where to stop? With music there is a similar phenomenon by which after a certain bitrate it becomes an esoteric art to detect improvements. So, what is your “very good enough” bitrate for 4K videos?
One consideration for me is: how grainy is the source material, and how much do I care about retaining that? Because film grain is the first thing to go when you apply too much compression. Dark scenes, too.
For kids movies or something I’ll watch casually: 15gb x265 rips are fine.
For new releases that I want to watch and maybe will a few more times: I’ll grab the 20-30gb web-dl and enjoy that.
For a movie I consider a masterpiece and want the best possible? Give me the 50-80gb remux.
At the end of the day it’s about what you like, what is available, and how much space you got.
My rule of thumb has been 8GB per hour of content for 4K (I don’t remember where I heard of got this from, so at the end of the day, this is just some arbitrary number). I usually stick to x265 encodes and so far this had been good enough for me. Some prefer the best (untouched remux), but like you mention, these files are huge. Even though I have many drives, I dont want each movie being 70+GB per file. Sometimes I break my rule of thumb and do get “higher quality” (that isn’t a remux). I think the biggest file I have is around 50GB for a x265 2160p encode of a movie where a certain king returns. As with everything, there are exceptions. Just do what you want.
This has been good enough for me. Obviously, the bitrate of audio matters and its format. That, in and of itself, is a whole other issue ( lossless or not, channels, etc…)
I tend to keep my library at 1080p for plex (remote users). Then have a seperate library for 4k films. I then download 4K films only as and when i’ll watch them and purge them when I wont watch again (Can always re-download)
In my very humble and personal opinion, theres a finite number of content I will be able to watch in my lifetime.
Like many others I’m pretty sure, I have long gone past this limit, yet my personal collection of 50+mbps remuxes barely go over 6TB. This is hardly bank breaking
This is a bit open ended depending on type of film, screen watching it on, codec etc.
Personally if I’m watching on my 65inch OLED. I can be happy with 30mbps HEVC. However if it’s a cartoon style then 15mbps is fine. On the other hand if it’s a dark film, then I absolutely want the 4k bluray rip, compression in dark areas on an oled can be really noticeable.
I do however have a gigabit connection and buckets of storage so I tend to just get the highest bitrate I can.
That is too broad of a question for a too narrow of an answer. You can answer with broad statements and generalized estimations, but I don’t think they really answer the question.
Encoding video balances three things (extensible by two more):
visual quality / equivalence
size (stream/file size)
encoding time
decoding performance
decoding feature set (compatibility)
The codec you use also has a high impact on compression ratio opportunities and capabilities. AV1, HEVC, AVC? 10-bit?
If we define that we do not care about encoding time, so we will use the very slow preset and use all codec features available, compression ratio and quality falloff still depends a lot on what you actually encode.
Is it a cartoon with flat surfaces and mostly linear and partial linear or transformative movement? That can be compressed very well through differentials and transformation (movement).
Is it a high-grain cartoon or movie? Fine, noisy details are hard to compress, they require more information.
Does it have a lot of movement? A lot of vast movements and cuts? Less to keep and differentiate data with, so less efficient.
I suspect in higher resolutions the gaps between different visual data compression ratio differs more - because a difference is elevated through higher resolution/more data.
That being said, I don’t have or use 4K stuff, so I can’t even check for some rough numbers and visual content to size differences.
There is no “this much is very good enough for 4K movies” because the reasonable minimum very much depends on what the movie contains.
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One consideration for me is: how grainy is the source material, and how much do I care about retaining that? Because film grain is the first thing to go when you apply too much compression. Dark scenes, too.
For kids movies or something I’ll watch casually: 15gb x265 rips are fine.
For new releases that I want to watch and maybe will a few more times: I’ll grab the 20-30gb web-dl and enjoy that.
For a movie I consider a masterpiece and want the best possible? Give me the 50-80gb remux.
At the end of the day it’s about what you like, what is available, and how much space you got.
My rule of thumb has been 8GB per hour of content for 4K (I don’t remember where I heard of got this from, so at the end of the day, this is just some arbitrary number). I usually stick to x265 encodes and so far this had been good enough for me. Some prefer the best (untouched remux), but like you mention, these files are huge. Even though I have many drives, I dont want each movie being 70+GB per file. Sometimes I break my rule of thumb and do get “higher quality” (that isn’t a remux). I think the biggest file I have is around 50GB for a x265 2160p encode of a movie where a certain king returns. As with everything, there are exceptions. Just do what you want.
This has been good enough for me. Obviously, the bitrate of audio matters and its format. That, in and of itself, is a whole other issue ( lossless or not, channels, etc…)
Honestly, for me, remux is the only way to go. Why would you risk downgrading the original quality? Is disk space / bandwidth really an issue in 2023?
It is for me lol
I hope they are 4k remuxes then. 1080p is h264, ancient and useless codec. h265 encodes are identical yet smaller
Uhh yes? Hard drives are expensive and so is cloud storage
I tend to keep my library at 1080p for plex (remote users). Then have a seperate library for 4k films. I then download 4K films only as and when i’ll watch them and purge them when I wont watch again (Can always re-download)
I just stream 100gb remux movies. No cloud or hard drives needs.
In my very humble and personal opinion, theres a finite number of content I will be able to watch in my lifetime.
Like many others I’m pretty sure, I have long gone past this limit, yet my personal collection of 50+mbps remuxes barely go over 6TB. This is hardly bank breaking
I have over 10TBs of movies and TV shows and have watched most of them
How? I have mostly 1080 and 720 collection and have filled 10 TB. Free space is down to 500GB and am budgeting for more drives.
Most aren’t even good rips just something I could find.
Granted i haven’t more than 40% of it and is purgable if I end up needing space.
This is a bit open ended depending on type of film, screen watching it on, codec etc.
Personally if I’m watching on my 65inch OLED. I can be happy with 30mbps HEVC. However if it’s a cartoon style then 15mbps is fine. On the other hand if it’s a dark film, then I absolutely want the 4k bluray rip, compression in dark areas on an oled can be really noticeable.
I do however have a gigabit connection and buckets of storage so I tend to just get the highest bitrate I can.
That is too broad of a question for a too narrow of an answer. You can answer with broad statements and generalized estimations, but I don’t think they really answer the question.
Encoding video balances three things (extensible by two more):
The codec you use also has a high impact on compression ratio opportunities and capabilities. AV1, HEVC, AVC? 10-bit?
If we define that we do not care about encoding time, so we will use the very slow preset and use all codec features available, compression ratio and quality falloff still depends a lot on what you actually encode.
I suspect in higher resolutions the gaps between different visual data compression ratio differs more - because a difference is elevated through higher resolution/more data.
That being said, I don’t have or use 4K stuff, so I can’t even check for some rough numbers and visual content to size differences.
There is no “this much is very good enough for 4K movies” because the reasonable minimum very much depends on what the movie contains.