See linked posting. I’ve commented there with a link to a CLI tool in Python that allows downloading of IA collections. I’ve submitted a patch to enable specifying start and end points so that it’s easier to resume downloading a huge collection, or to allow multiple people to split up the work.
EDIT: There is more than one collection of 78s on IA, so I updated the title.
The issue with these collections are that they’re absolutely HUGE. And yes, IA offers torrents for them, but as a separate torrent for every. single. album. And the torrents have all data in them – FLAC, fixed-rate MP3, VBR MP3, PDF liner notes, etc. etc… there may be some extremely hardcore data-hoarders out there who want everything, but IMHO as these are scratchy old 78 records, FLAC is overkill to just save the audio in a listenable format. The George Blood collection, just the VBR MP3s, is looking to be about 6TB. With ALL data it might be over 40TB! I can’t afford that many hard drives :)
So, my approach at the moment is to save just the VBR MP3s (they seem to be done at up to 320kbps VBR) and the JPEG album cover. If I have a chance and any storage left afterwards, I can make a separate pass to get the album liner PDFs…
I’m going to concentrate on the George Blood collection for now… I’m starting at item 1. It would be great if others started at index 50,000, 100,000, 150,000, … and others started at the end and worked backwards in similarly-sized chunks, so that it’s assured someone gets each of them.
Probably stating the obvious but „are in no threat of being deleted“ is an absolute joke.
A company holding the IP can just make it unavailable tormorrow. A big chunk of us is here because reddit somehow is allowed to delete our posts because the law is idiotic. At least european people are allowed to get their data but the cooperative works of thousands of people is threatened due to those laws.
What exactly are you trying to convey? That these „works“ made by ordinary people who have only a basic understanding of copyright law should be deleted if someone feels like it? That the law is more important than justice?
Also, do you really think you‘re cool by implying things phrased as a question? Won‘t you just talk like a normal person and state your opinion instead of fake-calling-out others?
Posts you make on a forum are not “works” that are copyrightable. Deleting a post is not an injustice.
Sentences phrased with a question mark means it’s asking a question. When someone asks a question, the normal response is to then provide an answer to that question.
But you’re just being an asshole. You know exactly what I’m saying, and you know you’re saying ridiculous things so your only response is not answering either of the two questions and and then try to twist it.
Posts you make on a forum are not “works” that are copyrightable.
That may depend on the platform – slashdot (remember that site?) once upon a time had a footer on their pages stating “All posts belong to their authors”. There were a few big debates about that being legally enforceable. Hmm. I wonder if there ever was a legal ruling on that.
I notice today their site does not have such a disclaimer. Probably disappeared long ago, due to one of their many corporate buyouts.
As concrete examples, try to get a copy of Disney’s 1946 movie, “Song of the South.” It’s been removed from circulation because of its whitewashed presentation of “happy slaves.” Similarly, 6 of Dr. Seuss’ books, including “And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street” were withdrawn because of racial imagery (the mentioned book had a “Chinaman” drawn with a WWII stereotype style - rice hat, sloping eyes, buck teeth).
Song of the South does whitewash being black in the USA, but it is set in post-civil war America, so superficially it does not need to handle the slavery topic, which can be dismissed as having been dealt with already.
sourcehut, self-hosted Gogs or Forgejo are some good candidates. Gitea is popular, but there’s apparently been some drama about them going commercial without proper buy-in from their contributors. (The code lineage is AFAIK Gogs → Gitea → Forgejo).
All the above solutions make it super-easy to mirror a github project as well, just in case it goes away :) Doing so has saved my arse more than a few times when github takes a repo down for stupid reasons.
Mandatory plug for !selfhosted@lemmy.world :)
Gitlab seems too heavyweight to me. I use Gogs myself on my home server. No code review tools via PR ala github/gitlab, but I don’t need those in my web frontend.
Copyright has completely jumped the shark. There’s absolutely no balance between the public benefit of the public domain.
30 years ought to be enough time for anyone to extract any reasonable value from an IP. If you haven’t made your profit in 30 years, then let the public benefit from it.
Or at least let preservationists (data hoarders, let’s be honest) keep our cultural history alive and accessible for future generations.
Or a renewal step. If it’s not worth renewing, let it into the public domain.
This is why It’s A Wonderful Life became a Christmas classic. Because it was in the pubic domain, it was used as late night filler.
The MPAA and RIAA miss the point. If It’s A Wonderful Life was still copyrighted, it wouldn’t have become a classic.
It’s like the concept of Abandonware. If video games had a large copyright clearing house like the MPAA or RIAA, Abandonware wouldn’t work, but abandoned media will disappear. Heck, non-abandoned media also disappears because profits don’t reward preservation.
FYI I’m currently on 4001-8000 of the ‘Great 78 Collection’. Looks like I’ll need about 6TB to get it all, yikes! (Just the VBR MP3 files, not the FLACs. Holy Hell.)
If everyone would take blocks of it, say 4000 each, we can eventually create torrents for each one or something so it can all be reassembled if/when the IA has to take it down.
I wish the IA would offer a torrents of the overall collection but it’s over 400k separate torrents, one for each album. And they contain FLACs, fixed- and VBR MP3s, PDF jacket notes, JPGs … it’s just too much for one person (I am OK with buying an 8TB drive or two, but not a dozen!)
I’m trying to at least grab the VBR MP3s (these are old scratchy records after all… I don’t know how much FLAC will really preserve). Maybe if I can get most of those, I’ll do a second pass and get the album cover JPGs, then liner PDFs… depending on if/how long the collection stays up.
Normally I would just fetch the torrent, yes, but this particular collection is huge – over 400k separate items (which on IA be their own torrents). Is there a way to get an aggregate, but filtered, torrent with just, say, the album jpg and VBR mp3 files for each? I don’t think I can afford the entire collection as each also has the FLACs.
Instructions unclear. Linked posting explains nothing. Will assume this is about 78 missing dragonballs and move on.
Jokes aside, we must preserve the 78 collection. What if in the future an alien signal will reach earth and no one can understand it because all 78s are extinct? We don’t have Starfleet to go back in time and get a 78 from San Francisco in the past to save the future!
NOTE DeGourou is incompatible with the tool mentioned in my post here (Python library differences) so install it in a different account if you want to use both tools often. (Maybe someone more fluent in Python can find out why installing one breaks the other?)
Now DeGourou seems to only download individual books. Would be great if it could be made to iterate over entire collections as well…
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Probably stating the obvious but „are in no threat of being deleted“ is an absolute joke.
A company holding the IP can just make it unavailable tormorrow. A big chunk of us is here because reddit somehow is allowed to delete our posts because the law is idiotic. At least european people are allowed to get their data but the cooperative works of thousands of people is threatened due to those laws.
The concept of IP needs to be reformed.
Did you think your posts on Reddit were protected by copyright laws or something?
Are you seriously comparing posts on a forum to music rights?
What exactly are you trying to convey? That these „works“ made by ordinary people who have only a basic understanding of copyright law should be deleted if someone feels like it? That the law is more important than justice?
Also, do you really think you‘re cool by implying things phrased as a question? Won‘t you just talk like a normal person and state your opinion instead of fake-calling-out others?
Posts you make on a forum are not “works” that are copyrightable. Deleting a post is not an injustice.
Sentences phrased with a question mark means it’s asking a question. When someone asks a question, the normal response is to then provide an answer to that question.
But you’re just being an asshole. You know exactly what I’m saying, and you know you’re saying ridiculous things so your only response is not answering either of the two questions and and then try to twist it.
I‘m glad you saw your mistake. Have a good one.
Not going to answer anything, huh? Typical.
Does this happen to you often? Maybe rethink your approach in discussions.
Or, you could not be an idiot. Try that sometime.
That may depend on the platform – slashdot (remember that site?) once upon a time had a footer on their pages stating “All posts belong to their authors”. There were a few big debates about that being legally enforceable. Hmm. I wonder if there ever was a legal ruling on that.
I notice today their site does not have such a disclaimer. Probably disappeared long ago, due to one of their many corporate buyouts.
You make a good point. They specifically said reddit though.
As concrete examples, try to get a copy of Disney’s 1946 movie, “Song of the South.” It’s been removed from circulation because of its whitewashed presentation of “happy slaves.” Similarly, 6 of Dr. Seuss’ books, including “And to Think That I Saw It on Mulberry Street” were withdrawn because of racial imagery (the mentioned book had a “Chinaman” drawn with a WWII stereotype style - rice hat, sloping eyes, buck teeth).
There’s media you simply can’t get anymore.
Our culture has been copyrighted.
In this case, the media was withdrawn for (arguably) good reasons: the representations were deemed hurtful or harmful.
Good reasons or bad, they still stand as stark examples of how media can disappear at the whims of a single organization.
Yes and it’s horrific
Fun fact, there is a fan made blu-ray quality remaster of Song of the South available on IA.
Say what? Now I’m curious how they handled the slavery topic, and found actors for it.
Thanks for the heads-up!
Song of the South does whitewash being black in the USA, but it is set in post-civil war America, so superficially it does not need to handle the slavery topic, which can be dismissed as having been dealt with already.
Yeah. And whenever anyone says “Oh the music companies would never let these old recordings die, it’s their bread and butter!” I give them this story.
We cannot trust our cultural heritage to any one entity.
Oof. I just read this. It’s pretty brutal.
Cool tool! Please consider leaving GitHub for any of the numerous FOSS options.
Oh, it’s not my project – I already have moved my own projects off there, yeah.
That’s awesome! Really encouraging seeing projects and devs migrate away from closed-source and proprietary systems and features. 💪
sourcehut, self-hosted Gogs or Forgejo are some good candidates. Gitea is popular, but there’s apparently been some drama about them going commercial without proper buy-in from their contributors. (The code lineage is AFAIK Gogs → Gitea → Forgejo).
All the above solutions make it super-easy to mirror a github project as well, just in case it goes away :) Doing so has saved my arse more than a few times when github takes a repo down for stupid reasons.
Mandatory plug for !selfhosted@lemmy.world :)
Gitlab seems too heavyweight to me. I use Gogs myself on my home server. No code review tools via PR ala github/gitlab, but I don’t need those in my web frontend.
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Copyright has completely jumped the shark. There’s absolutely no balance between the public benefit of the public domain.
30 years ought to be enough time for anyone to extract any reasonable value from an IP. If you haven’t made your profit in 30 years, then let the public benefit from it.
Or at least let preservationists (data hoarders, let’s be honest) keep our cultural history alive and accessible for future generations.
Or a renewal step. If it’s not worth renewing, let it into the public domain.
This is why It’s A Wonderful Life became a Christmas classic. Because it was in the pubic domain, it was used as late night filler.
The MPAA and RIAA miss the point. If It’s A Wonderful Life was still copyrighted, it wouldn’t have become a classic.
It’s like the concept of Abandonware. If video games had a large copyright clearing house like the MPAA or RIAA, Abandonware wouldn’t work, but abandoned media will disappear. Heck, non-abandoned media also disappears because profits don’t reward preservation.
Ok but then how will my
kidsrecord company benefit into perpetuity?In all seriousness, I think copyright law is the best example of how captured our government is to large corporate interests.
And maybe short of very limited production runs there haven’t been any 78s produced in a long time. All of that work should be in the public domain.
You don’t need to censor yourself…
Fuck the RIAA, bunch of absolute cunts.
Yeah, you’re right, Fuck em.
FYI I’m currently on 4001-8000 of the ‘Great 78 Collection’. Looks like I’ll need about 6TB to get it all, yikes! (Just the VBR MP3 files, not the FLACs. Holy Hell.)
collection:georgeblood
https://archive.org/details/georgeblood
If everyone would take blocks of it, say 4000 each, we can eventually create torrents for each one or something so it can all be reassembled if/when the IA has to take it down.
which block are you on now?
around 5500… gonna take a while. My ISP says there’s no monthly cap but I wonder if I really should dl this much…
Yup. Torrents are the way forward to archive such collection.
I wish the IA would offer a torrents of the overall collection but it’s over 400k separate torrents, one for each album. And they contain FLACs, fixed- and VBR MP3s, PDF jacket notes, JPGs … it’s just too much for one person (I am OK with buying an 8TB drive or two, but not a dozen!)
I’m trying to at least grab the VBR MP3s (these are old scratchy records after all… I don’t know how much FLAC will really preserve). Maybe if I can get most of those, I’ll do a second pass and get the album cover JPGs, then liner PDFs… depending on if/how long the collection stays up.
The IA has torrents for everything they upload already.
Normally I would just fetch the torrent, yes, but this particular collection is huge – over 400k separate items (which on IA be their own torrents). Is there a way to get an aggregate, but filtered, torrent with just, say, the album jpg and VBR mp3 files for each? I don’t think I can afford the entire collection as each also has the FLACs.
Instructions unclear. Linked posting explains nothing. Will assume this is about 78 missing dragonballs and move on.
Jokes aside, we must preserve the 78 collection. What if in the future an alien signal will reach earth and no one can understand it because all 78s are extinct? We don’t have Starfleet to go back in time and get a 78 from San Francisco in the past to save the future!
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Aha! Well, coincidentally, a few weeks ago I just found out about another IA download tool for getting books that are hidden behind the borrow wall.
DeGourou
NOTE DeGourou is incompatible with the tool mentioned in my post here (Python library differences) so install it in a different account if you want to use both tools often. (Maybe someone more fluent in Python can find out why installing one breaks the other?)
Now DeGourou seems to only download individual books. Would be great if it could be made to iterate over entire collections as well…