Uhh… what do you think the notice is telling you…? That’s it’s not a legal copy. Now you can’t claim you didn’t know… this is literally a legally accepted measure to remove that entire defense that you didn’t know. It’s hilarious you comprehend that, but don’t see how this notifies you of it being illegal! It’s along the same veins of reselling a book without its cover and the notice telling you. Of course it’s legal and accepted to remove your ignorance defense. Ignorance has never been a defense and this would be no different.

And yeah people have been arrested for those before, of course I haven’t personally seen it. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Doesn’t matter how you acquired the key, it’s still a pirated copy.

Do you think buying a stolen car or phone changes that it’s still stolen? Plenty of places also have laws against buying or keeping knowingly stolen items. So even just being informed and you continuing to keep it can now be used against you as well.

Do you really think this is a contract or agreement of legal enforceability? Holy hell.

If they actually used this for that reason it would be to merely remove your defense of saying you didn’t know you bought a pirated copy. They don’t even need you to agree to it, a splash screen would be enough.

And you said you acknowledged it was pirated, doesn’t matter where you got it from……

Can’t say you didn’t know the key was pirated when you bought it off kijiji if there’s this warning.

It removes a potential defence, it’s not for them to admit any evidence, it’s to destroy your rebuttals.

If those games had demos would you still pirate the full game to only play a small portion?

Too bad they don’t see the hypocrisy of them doing the same with tax loopholes.

There will also be people who abuse it for nefarious means as well. Even if purchasing is easy.

They of course use these 2% to justify vilifying the rest though.

Big brain move, getting you to acknowledge that you’re pirating for when the lawsuit comes.

More people need to accept that piracy helps sales in the end, not take sales.

For a while Sony TVs didn’t allow the playback of .MKVs because they were the most pirated format.

It’s kinda the Media Players choice what formats they want to support in the end.

I don’t support copyright, torrenting IS the same as distributing don’t move the goalposts…

And providing people information to make informed decisions isn’t spreading fear, quite the opposite.

On the other hand… lying and burying your face in the sand claiming it’s not illegal will get plenty of people into legal trouble. You’re spreading misinformation, that’s far worse than a fear monger regardless…

Fuck people who spread misinformation

https://www.justice.gov/usao-cdca/pr/fresno-man-arrested-federal-copyright-violations-alleged-illegal-upload-deadpool-movi-0

Sure that was easy, first result on google.

Do you want more?

US has very similar laws, but the OC article is Canadian, so let’s keep it that way.

And of course it doesn’t apply to kitchen knives I never once said it did… unless a court order has been applied like I explained already…

You seem to be missing the part about a court order making the situation illegal, and until you comprehend this specific detail this discussion can’t continue.

It’s not illegal to do plenty of stuff, but once served with a legal document, those previously well legal things can become illegal. That’s the argument that Voltage was making with their first notice.

If you can’t address this specific concern, don’t deflect or move the goalposts, only address that specific point.

Source? Because it absolutely is a crime and illegal in most places.

What do you think a court order is…? Of course theres no law that specifies that, but if you’ve been told to do something, and don’t. That makes you negligent and can be an accessory.

I like how you don’t even address the other ones since they prove my point.

And nope, you don’t have to be aware, that’s the unfortunate part of it being “accessory”. You’re thinking of accomplice. Laws obviously vary place to place, but the generics are the same.

Edit, and actually yes it is actually illegal to leave a knife out as well! linky

You leave a firearm, knife or another weapon as classified in section 86 on an accessible surface such as a car seat, glovebox, kitchen countertop, on a bed, etc.

Change the knife to gun and that’s an entirely different scenario, you can be an accessory for being negligent with your firearm.

Drive your buddy around for a favor, he robs a store without you knowing and you drive him home. You’re now an accessory to theft.

Have your roommate steal your knife and the cops tell you to lock them all up, don’t do it, and guess what, you can be accessory for being negligent.

Sorry, but that is actually how the world works, nice bubble you seem to live in.

How could they get it wrong?

Either that person is lying, or their network is open and that’s the argument that was being made. By being negligent and leaving it open, you have now let people use your network to commit a crime.

You’re an accessory by definition for other criminal situations for doing similar.

The ISP would know who had what IP while the infringement happened though. Dynamic changes nothing.

The ISP than has to send the notice to the subscriber of that IP, that’s what that “notice-and-notice” regime means.

It’s an interesting tactic, they aren’t wrong that if someone received notice that they should do something to secure their network though. Lots of other crimes allow you to be an accessory for being negligent, not much difference here unfortunately.

No it’s not slippery slope in this case, it’s what you’re suggesting and why it’s utter bullshit. But yes of course that’s the obvious defense to take there.

You’re not only saying that, you said that they need account for everything. Two totally different things. Can’t have X and not have Y.

Sending a password is okay in quite a few scenarios, you’re talking to broad again her. Also, maybe make sure you know the story before jumping on as well…? You’re making the issues worse not better.

Than direct it at the service provider? Oh wait it got fixed a while ago.

Also where does their liability stop? Should they also just assume everyone is compromised? Where does the users onus come into play? I guess they shouldn’t send password resets than, since they should assume that their email is compromised already….

Yeah that’s actually a terrible idea if they must assume that they must protect everyone. Sorry can’t reset your password your email must be compromised.

If you’re following proper security procedures you wouldn’t be using the same password for anything else, so they are overly concerned about the wrong things while parading being top notch security wise while not doing it themselves.

Yeah it’s an issue, but only an issue if you’ve set yourself up to be vulnerable.

Every company is going to investigate a refund request to make sure they aren’t being defrauded or ripped off, people do it all the time. So they create policies and have to legally follow them to keep their business license.

Yes just issueing a refund is the proper customer service way, but you also want to make sure yet aren’t being defrauded, so you can also investigate odd scenarios. Like you being the only one with the issue….

And all you’ve said in all these exchange’s is you asked/demanded for a refund. The nuances of the semantics need not apply here. So what have you corrected other than reiterating each time that you demanded/asked for a refund?

You agreed to their terms of service when you signed up for their service…… so yeah if you ignore their due process, this shits entirely on you.

I keep forgetting how entitled people are these days….

That’s after they called you out in the second image for not having any API Queries.

If you don’t provide logs you aren’t following due process and they can deny your refund. After all this you put your foot down saying you sent the logs and they didn’t reply, both of your images show their reply and explaining why the logs weren’t valid.

Trying to point out that you also caused this issue………… again, they are asses, but you also completely ignored their valid request and claimed you did what they wanted even though they explicitly told you why you didn’t.

The hill I’m dying on is someone calling someone else out because they can’t comprehend they partly led to the issue.

You’re not entitled to a refund ever, and just demanding a refund isn’t going to put you in anyone’s good list.

Thats what happened in your third image, they denied your refund request and asked for unedited logs. Which you claimed to have already sent, but they also explained why those weren’t good enough.

You than pushed on

They asked for logs, gave you a reason for why. You claimed you already did, even though they explicitly told you why and to not edit them. You were also the only one with this issue, that’s not likely something on their end, which wouldn’t be eligible for a refund.

Again, they are an ass, but look in the mirror, your obstinance didn’t help.

And they are also completely free to deny your refund request as well.

There’s a due process and you choose to ignore it, and are now flaming someone for wanting to figure out if it was a them or you issue.

OP also asked for a refund and ignored them wanting full logs to see if the issue was on their end. If it’s on OPs end, why would they be entitled to get money back?

You’re not just entitled to a refund just because you want one, there’s a process to go through it and ignored it….

They wanted to know if the fault lied on their end or your end, one of them they would be liable to refund you, the other is actually on you.

So no, you require tech support BEFORE demanding a refund in almost all cases.

You’re just an entitled prick apparently.

This is partly on you, they asked for logs and you deleted the vast majority of it saying it wasn’t relevant. What if it was? Then when they asked for logs you just shot right to refund.

They’re an ass, but so are you.

It’s like picking a whiskey based off of the ABV, but sometimes the lower THC can get you higher due to the cannabinoid differences.

Play around and find what gives you the benefits you want.

If it’s permanently installed it’s potential needs to be accounted for at all times, there is some conditionals, like ignoring AC during winter, but there’s nothing for intermittent loads, since it can still potentially be done at anytime.

Townhouses and condos……

When it’s planned it’s fine. You can’t plan for when random citizens get them and it just so happens a swatch of them are in the same place.

Those sometimes get put to the top of list, and there’s no planning for that….

Strange, most homes where I live only have 20-50 amp services, neither being enough for a level 2 with all the other required panel loads.

News flash, codes are different in different places!

Panel and code calculations don’t care about those yet and it’s going to be a long time until they do.

Most of what I reexplained to you had already been touched on my comments leading up to our initial conversation.

So I thought you had a modicum of comprehension for the topic, my apologies that you only came here in bad faith.

Codes and standards need to adopt those functions, right now there is only a couple of code complaint ways to deal with it on a panel end.

I answered the question quite well actually, if someone comes in with zero knowledge on the subject, how am I supposed to know? Most people who engage in conversations at least have a grasp on the basics before calling someone out.

I knew right of the bat that the user wasn’t here to discuss in good faith based off how they came at me. Most of my lead up comments to the one they responded to touched on most of what I reexplained to the user.

Commercial transformers have a hell of a lot more head capacity. Codes and standards when doing panel calculations don’t care about off peak in most places. And unless it has a proper timer, you can’t remove it from calculations on an intermittent basis.

2 houses on the same transformer in a dated neighborhood and it needs to be replaced with a new one. You can plan ahead all you want, but you can’t plan for that at all. And every single one of those requests will push back planned upgrades.

So no, it’s not the same at all.