Disney is raking its customers over the coals with a 75% price hike for their annual subscription (originally $80.) People wonder why piracy is on the rise.
Because different people like dofferent things and all “art” is subjective. You are not an immutable objective font or source of truth. Therefore, whilst you might believe it’s shit, any many will agree. You are simultaneously correct and incorrect in your assessment.
Or in short.
Not everyone likes what you like, so they pay for disney if thats what makes them happy.
What me being in a bubble has to do with anything? I know there are people who like this shit. I personally know people who absolutely love this shit. Doesn’t make it any less shitty.
You are the kind of guy who is so over himself that can’t even see how cringe it looks from outside.
Man, I love Futurama, is that shit too? Please don’t hurt my feelings. Your objective opinion is everything to me.
Yes, subjectively, it does. Art is not objective. It literally can’t be by its very nature. If you know people who like it, then you are admitting that you understand this.
If so then you are not in a bubble.
If you still try to claim that it is all objectively shit (which is quite a broad statement considering how much content there is on the platform, widely considered to be excellent) then you are in a bubble.
That’s not what being in a bubble means. Being in a bubble means I only have contact with some specific content and I’m not aware of the reviews and revenue Disney content gets. Knowing that people like it and still saying it’s shit just means I’m smarter than most people and can judge this content better than the masses.
It’s actually quite a versatile term. Being in a bubble simply means living in your own world. This can mean many things, such as rejecting views that dont line up with your own. Which is exactly what you are doing. I laid down a straight fact that art is subjective, and you said no. You are wrong, but you would rather live in your bubble where you are right than accept that you are wrong.
You are even wrong about what being in a bubble means. In that, you think its meaning is strictly one thing. When in fact, it’s really quite subjective…
Edit. Oh god, did you just say you are smarter than most people? Thats so bad. What are you? Like 12 years old?
So every time you have an argument with someone they ‘live in a bubble’? Every time someone disagrees with you they are “living in their own world”? I don’t think this is how it works.
ive in a bubble
To remain physically or socially isolated from some threat.
To live life completely absorbed in or insulated by one’s limited reality or life experience.
To ignore, avoid, or deny reality.
No, it does not mean “reject views”. Reject views is completely different from denying reality. What we’re talking about are opinions and interpretations. Not agreeing with you about it is not ‘being in a bubble’. You’re simply using this term wrong.
But moving on. It’s easy to say ‘art is subjective’ and pretend it’s closes the topic but obviously there are better and worse movies. You have movies that explore interesting ideas in creative and daring ways and than you have Marvel type movies which are just pure entertainment without anything original or novel in them. These are no more ‘art’ than a ride on a roller coaster is. It’s fun but empty. There’s nothing subjective to it. People liking something does not make it art.
Ah yes of course, National Geographic are famous for making kids stupid, that’s why those shows are on Disney+. Futurama is a cartoon so must be a kids show.
I guess you’re right. Not all content on the platform is shit, only all content made by Disney is. But I highly doubt a lot of people pay for Disney+ to watch non-Disney content.
Maybe you should read what they offer? Depends where you draw the line on what is “Disney content” (just kids animated films and shows?), but they have all Star Wars and most Marvel content.
Depending where you draw the line, I subscribe for only the non-Disney content. Though I may have to re-evaluate my sub soon…
I love how everyone is jumping down your throat, you’ve just as much right to have the opinion of Disney being shit as the next for having pure admiration for Disney. I also don’t see what people like about Disney, I think its shit and this is a valid criticism
Maybe if they had said , “i think its shit,” instead of saying “its shit” and then spending multiple days arguing with me that their opinion is objective fact, then there wouldn’t be a problem.
IMHO admiring Disney is one of the most cringe things an adult can do. It’s even worse than admiring apple because apple does toys for adults but to love Disney one has to be brainwashed as a child and never manage to get out of it. Fortunately I grew up in a communist country so I didn’t see any Disney as a child and when I finally did I was like ‘meh’. People follow Disney and Marvel because the content is simple and there’s a lot of it so there’s always something to consume. It’s like McDonalds: there’s no real value in it but it fills in the void inside you. The fact that Disney and Marvel have such a huge following show how empty our society had become. People don’t think any more, they just consume.
We’re very aligned, good to meet you. I also don’t do fandom’s and avoid mindless consumption, brands and general marketing. Honestly struggle to witness people slowly falling for the trap though, like watching rodents fling themselves into the mouse trap. But we’re nearing the end of capitalism, moving to tech feudalism. Fun time ahead
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Why would anyone pay for Disney? All their content is shit.
Because different people like dofferent things and all “art” is subjective. You are not an immutable objective font or source of truth. Therefore, whilst you might believe it’s shit, any many will agree. You are simultaneously correct and incorrect in your assessment.
Or in short.
Not everyone likes what you like, so they pay for disney if thats what makes them happy.
Nah, it’s objectively shit.
Well, At least i know who im talking to now and dont need to waste any more time with it. Have fun in your bubble.
What me being in a bubble has to do with anything? I know there are people who like this shit. I personally know people who absolutely love this shit. Doesn’t make it any less shitty.
You are the kind of guy who is so over himself that can’t even see how cringe it looks from outside. Man, I love Futurama, is that shit too? Please don’t hurt my feelings. Your objective opinion is everything to me.
First couple seasons were great. The movies were shit. Later seasons were shit.
I mean, you could just stop with the movies if it is that bad. Aaahh everyone is a critic.
Yes, subjectively, it does. Art is not objective. It literally can’t be by its very nature. If you know people who like it, then you are admitting that you understand this.
If so then you are not in a bubble.
If you still try to claim that it is all objectively shit (which is quite a broad statement considering how much content there is on the platform, widely considered to be excellent) then you are in a bubble.
That’s not what being in a bubble means. Being in a bubble means I only have contact with some specific content and I’m not aware of the reviews and revenue Disney content gets. Knowing that people like it and still saying it’s shit just means I’m smarter than most people and can judge this content better than the masses.
It’s actually quite a versatile term. Being in a bubble simply means living in your own world. This can mean many things, such as rejecting views that dont line up with your own. Which is exactly what you are doing. I laid down a straight fact that art is subjective, and you said no. You are wrong, but you would rather live in your bubble where you are right than accept that you are wrong.
You are even wrong about what being in a bubble means. In that, you think its meaning is strictly one thing. When in fact, it’s really quite subjective…
Edit. Oh god, did you just say you are smarter than most people? Thats so bad. What are you? Like 12 years old?
So every time you have an argument with someone they ‘live in a bubble’? Every time someone disagrees with you they are “living in their own world”? I don’t think this is how it works. ive in a bubble
No, it does not mean “reject views”. Reject views is completely different from denying reality. What we’re talking about are opinions and interpretations. Not agreeing with you about it is not ‘being in a bubble’. You’re simply using this term wrong.
But moving on. It’s easy to say ‘art is subjective’ and pretend it’s closes the topic but obviously there are better and worse movies. You have movies that explore interesting ideas in creative and daring ways and than you have Marvel type movies which are just pure entertainment without anything original or novel in them. These are no more ‘art’ than a ride on a roller coaster is. It’s fun but empty. There’s nothing subjective to it. People liking something does not make it art.
If that’s how you judge Disney+ I guess you say the same of all streaming services except the Criterion channel?
No, other services have some good stuff. Disney+ is only a good option if you have kids and you don’t want them to be very smart when then grow up.
Ah yes of course, National Geographic are famous for making kids stupid, that’s why those shows are on Disney+. Futurama is a cartoon so must be a kids show.
I guess you’re right. Not all content on the platform is shit, only all content made by Disney is. But I highly doubt a lot of people pay for Disney+ to watch non-Disney content.
Maybe you should read what they offer? Depends where you draw the line on what is “Disney content” (just kids animated films and shows?), but they have all Star Wars and most Marvel content.
Depending where you draw the line, I subscribe for only the non-Disney content. Though I may have to re-evaluate my sub soon…
I definitely include all star wars and marvel content in the shit Disney content category.
He’s a man of finer taste with an extensive collection of fedoras
I love how everyone is jumping down your throat, you’ve just as much right to have the opinion of Disney being shit as the next for having pure admiration for Disney. I also don’t see what people like about Disney, I think its shit and this is a valid criticism
Maybe if they had said , “i think its shit,” instead of saying “its shit” and then spending multiple days arguing with me that their opinion is objective fact, then there wouldn’t be a problem.
In they’re opinion its objectively shit
If its their opinion, then it is subjective. You can’t have an opinion on something’s objectivity.
I could have an opinion of how much i like an objective fact, but i can’t dispute it being a fact.
Read some of rhe conversation that followed between them and myself if you want proof.
They are trying to argue that their opinion is an objective fact. When it is, in fact, objectively their opinion.
IMHO admiring Disney is one of the most cringe things an adult can do. It’s even worse than admiring apple because apple does toys for adults but to love Disney one has to be brainwashed as a child and never manage to get out of it. Fortunately I grew up in a communist country so I didn’t see any Disney as a child and when I finally did I was like ‘meh’. People follow Disney and Marvel because the content is simple and there’s a lot of it so there’s always something to consume. It’s like McDonalds: there’s no real value in it but it fills in the void inside you. The fact that Disney and Marvel have such a huge following show how empty our society had become. People don’t think any more, they just consume.
We’re very aligned, good to meet you. I also don’t do fandom’s and avoid mindless consumption, brands and general marketing. Honestly struggle to witness people slowly falling for the trap though, like watching rodents fling themselves into the mouse trap. But we’re nearing the end of capitalism, moving to tech feudalism. Fun time ahead