My wonderful internet acquaintance , the NDP are a big part of why the electoral reform change never happened. Unpopular opinion time: The CPC, NDP and GPC deserve every bit as much blame, if not more, for the failure to move away from fptp. Why? They banded together in committee to poison any hope of getting electoral reform past the Senate or even the house. Trudeau , naively I think, promised to do things differently from Harper. True to his promise he balanced the electoral reform house committee by popular vote, instead of using his majority power. This meant that the opposition parties could outvote the liberals in committee and, seemingly forgotten by everyone, the opposition parties welded that power to deliver a complete nonsensical , posion pill filled committee report / reccomendation to the house which had no real chance of passing. That document, a worst of all ideas document if I ever saw it, threw out all ideas put forward by the LPC (the majority in the house, who had a free vote on this) instead favoring CPC demands for a referendum, NDP demands for a vague and nonspecific system that wasn’t STV, but was proportional. The GPC and Bloc got in on it, and passed this report that had no chance , none, of passing the house. Even if it had passed the house it wouldn’t have got past the Senate and the committee delayed their report so long nothing could be done before the next election.
I know parliamentary procedure is boring, and most people don’t follow it, but I do and I saw what happened here. The LPC failure was only in so far as they didn’t just stomp all over the opposition to impose their changes. The LPC acted in good faith instead and got politiked so bad people still blame them, reducing the whole thing down to “Trudeau break promise”.
This is interesting, and I’ve never heard about this before. That’s really disappointing, but from a game-theoretic sense it makes sense it played out like that. If Trudeau did in fact opted for a popular vote instead of using his majority power, I can respect that, even if it blew up in all our faces.
Like everything these days, I realize it’s too difficult for me to understand and keep up with the complexities of modern life 😩
I know parliamentary procedure is boring, and most people don’t follow it, but I do and I saw what happened here.
I’m not certain you intended for this to sound condescending like you’re the only here that pays attentions to what’s happening. The person you’re replying to has practically single handily held up most of the Lemmy Canadian content for a while.
Even if it had passed the house it wouldn’t have got past the Senate and the committee delayed their report so long nothing could be done before the next election.
I have trouble believing that petition matters since it reads like business as usual for the CPC. The only thing that stands out is that it doesn’t specifically call out the carbon tax.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !canada@lemmy.ca
It’s not too late. I’m sure the NDP would be on board.
My wonderful internet acquaintance , the NDP are a big part of why the electoral reform change never happened. Unpopular opinion time: The CPC, NDP and GPC deserve every bit as much blame, if not more, for the failure to move away from fptp. Why? They banded together in committee to poison any hope of getting electoral reform past the Senate or even the house. Trudeau , naively I think, promised to do things differently from Harper. True to his promise he balanced the electoral reform house committee by popular vote, instead of using his majority power. This meant that the opposition parties could outvote the liberals in committee and, seemingly forgotten by everyone, the opposition parties welded that power to deliver a complete nonsensical , posion pill filled committee report / reccomendation to the house which had no real chance of passing. That document, a worst of all ideas document if I ever saw it, threw out all ideas put forward by the LPC (the majority in the house, who had a free vote on this) instead favoring CPC demands for a referendum, NDP demands for a vague and nonspecific system that wasn’t STV, but was proportional. The GPC and Bloc got in on it, and passed this report that had no chance , none, of passing the house. Even if it had passed the house it wouldn’t have got past the Senate and the committee delayed their report so long nothing could be done before the next election.
I know parliamentary procedure is boring, and most people don’t follow it, but I do and I saw what happened here. The LPC failure was only in so far as they didn’t just stomp all over the opposition to impose their changes. The LPC acted in good faith instead and got politiked so bad people still blame them, reducing the whole thing down to “Trudeau break promise”.
This is interesting, and I’ve never heard about this before. That’s really disappointing, but from a game-theoretic sense it makes sense it played out like that. If Trudeau did in fact opted for a popular vote instead of using his majority power, I can respect that, even if it blew up in all our faces.
Like everything these days, I realize it’s too difficult for me to understand and keep up with the complexities of modern life 😩
I fully acknowledge the intricacy of what went on but also “Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau vowed that the upcoming general election will be the last one using the first-past-the-post voting system.”
It’s also clear wants a system that favours large parties: Trudeau says, however, that he would not favour proportional representation as an alternative, because it “gives more weight to smaller parties that are perhaps fringe parties.”
I’m not certain you intended for this to sound condescending like you’re the only here that pays attentions to what’s happening. The person you’re replying to has practically single handily held up most of the Lemmy Canadian content for a while.
And that was 2 elections ago.
I’d love to see it, but
as I posted above, petition e-4701 could make it too late.(edit: deleted my other comment to avoid repetition)
I have trouble believing that petition matters since it reads like business as usual for the CPC. The only thing that stands out is that it doesn’t specifically call out the carbon tax.
Lol, true. I was just concerned as it has a lot of signers. (But maybe they’ve been doing these monthly, I have no idea.)