After seeing this post a couple times (which speaks to its relevance) it got me thinking that enshittification (of the world) will definitely continue until our morale improves, as in until we make them stop. Are there any online collectives that work together to stop this tomfoolery?
Long term, this is probably the consequence. But to delete a giant tree (or tumour, decide your own mental image) you have to cut it back, then cut it down, then rip out the roots, one after the other.
You can also rip it out at once but you need giant machines and will cause tons of damage to the environment and leave a giant crater.
I dont think capitalism is even the whole tree. Its actually greed and selfishness which needs to go.
People who miss the basic empathy to take from others just because they can need to be educated and - if needed - contained and pathologized as to keep them from winning against the fair and „gullible“. This will be insanely complex and long to eradicate that.
But step one is joining a collective to change things. All positive change came from collectives, never from individuals. Individuals are easy to beat, to intimidate, to silence. But groups are very hard to do this to.
Doing something to lift the dread off your heart and getting change going is the most sane approach imo.
I dont think capitalism is even the whole tree. Its actually greed and selfishness which needs to go.
This is because capitalism glorifies greed and selfishness and considers it the primary driver or human behaviour. Which it isn’t for everyone. Many of us leftists vote left despite it not being in our personal financial beat interests. Sharing is caring etc.
Unfortunately the system is so damn rigged in favour of the multi billionaires.
I think capitalism favors greed and selfishness because greedy, selfish people have corrupted an otherwise useful idea. I dont think the original iteration was bad. We just left the door to the machine room ajar and a bunch of trolls laid some cables to steal power from our generator. Actually a very fitting metaphor. The sad part is that we‘re still trying to agree on the fact that someone is stealing energy.
If you have seen lord of the rings, society is the ents, discussing endlessly if the hobbits are actually hobbits or orcs while their forest is being cut down en masse. Thats how I view humanity atm.
I don’t agree. Capitalism is and has always been about greed. It’s why people invest, to get maximum profits and externalise all the negative side-effects.
I think capitalism works if it’s balanced with socialism and strongly restricted by law as we used to do in the Netherlands and some EU countries still do. Unfortunately the Netherlands was lost to the neoliberals and now to the fascists :( But luckily I don’t live there anymore.
I can see how you arrive at this conclusion. Not sure I necessarily follow it since I invest (and always have) in things I believe in. Buying additional plates is an investment in having guests over for example.
But I‘m also neurologically different from most peeps. The folks that invest without empathy fall into two categories in my head: the ignorant and the evil. The ignorant need to be educated, by force if necessary. The evil need to be stopped.
Still, I can see that capitalism has become corrupted and needs to go. It’s too complicated for everyone to understand its side effects. Maybe even for me. But I still think its people born or raised without a conscience that will corrupt anything we build. Those need to be stopped as well.
Ending capitalism is not the /only/ way. Within a capitalistic system, you can boycott shit. Most consumers are pushovers but it doesn’t have to be that way. I’m boycotting hundreds of shitty companies. Off the top of my head:
Amazon
Cloudflare
Microsoft
Facebook
Google
Apple
(surveillance advertisers in general)
(all closed-source s/w)
HP
Proctor & Gamble
Unilever
all ALEC members (American Express, Anheuser Busch, Boeing, CenturyLink, Charter Communications, Chevron, FedEx, Motorola, PNC bank, Sony, TimeWarner)
Are there any online collectives that work together to stop this tomfoolery?
Same as it has been for the last 100 years: Vote with your money. If you don’t like the product/service, don’t buy it. Stop thinking you can force them to change their offering.
The crackhead down the road wasting away in his own piss and shit isn’t equally “valuable” to me or anybody that contributes to society in a positive manner. I don’t care how you spin it
It basically is saying that if you have more money then you have more “votes”.
That’s simply true. It doesn’t do anyone any good to disregard the facts.
Or to put it in another way: If you have more money you matter more.
That abstraction doesn’t help much. And first of all, it’s more accurate to derive the statement “If you have more money then you have more influence”.
It’s still a shitty status quo, but it is what it is. The worse thing you can do is tell people not to boycott shit products on the basis of rejecting reality. It’d be like telling people not to vote in elections because their vote is a drop in the ocean.
Some people vote for democrats, then they cancel their own vote by getting their internet service from Spectrum, buying fuel from Chevron for their car, shipping their packages using FedEx, getting their phone service from AT&T, banking at PNC Bank, flying on Boeing planes, shopping on Amazon, doing their web searches on a Microsoft syndicate’s site (e.g. DDG), buying Sony devices… etc. They either have no clue that most of their voting is actually for the republicans, or they think that drop-in-the-ocean vote that comes once in 4 years somehow carries more weight than the daily votes they cast with reckless disregard.
Greg Abbott’s war chest is mostly fed by oil companies. If you buy fuel for a car, you help Greg Abbott and other republicans. And if you buy from Chevron, you give the greatest support to republicans (Chevron is an ALEC member).
Same as it has been for the last 100 years: Vote with your money. If you don’t like the product/service, don’t buy it. Stop thinking you can force them to change their offering.
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After seeing this post a couple times (which speaks to its relevance) it got me thinking that enshittification (of the world) will definitely continue until our morale improves, as in until we make them stop. Are there any online collectives that work together to stop this tomfoolery?
The only way to stop this is bringing down capitalism.
Long term, this is probably the consequence. But to delete a giant tree (or tumour, decide your own mental image) you have to cut it back, then cut it down, then rip out the roots, one after the other.
You can also rip it out at once but you need giant machines and will cause tons of damage to the environment and leave a giant crater.
I dont think capitalism is even the whole tree. Its actually greed and selfishness which needs to go.
People who miss the basic empathy to take from others just because they can need to be educated and - if needed - contained and pathologized as to keep them from winning against the fair and „gullible“. This will be insanely complex and long to eradicate that.
But step one is joining a collective to change things. All positive change came from collectives, never from individuals. Individuals are easy to beat, to intimidate, to silence. But groups are very hard to do this to.
Doing something to lift the dread off your heart and getting change going is the most sane approach imo.
This is because capitalism glorifies greed and selfishness and considers it the primary driver or human behaviour. Which it isn’t for everyone. Many of us leftists vote left despite it not being in our personal financial beat interests. Sharing is caring etc.
Unfortunately the system is so damn rigged in favour of the multi billionaires.
I think capitalism favors greed and selfishness because greedy, selfish people have corrupted an otherwise useful idea. I dont think the original iteration was bad. We just left the door to the machine room ajar and a bunch of trolls laid some cables to steal power from our generator. Actually a very fitting metaphor. The sad part is that we‘re still trying to agree on the fact that someone is stealing energy.
If you have seen lord of the rings, society is the ents, discussing endlessly if the hobbits are actually hobbits or orcs while their forest is being cut down en masse. Thats how I view humanity atm.
I don’t agree. Capitalism is and has always been about greed. It’s why people invest, to get maximum profits and externalise all the negative side-effects.
I think capitalism works if it’s balanced with socialism and strongly restricted by law as we used to do in the Netherlands and some EU countries still do. Unfortunately the Netherlands was lost to the neoliberals and now to the fascists :( But luckily I don’t live there anymore.
I can see how you arrive at this conclusion. Not sure I necessarily follow it since I invest (and always have) in things I believe in. Buying additional plates is an investment in having guests over for example.
But I‘m also neurologically different from most peeps. The folks that invest without empathy fall into two categories in my head: the ignorant and the evil. The ignorant need to be educated, by force if necessary. The evil need to be stopped.
Still, I can see that capitalism has become corrupted and needs to go. It’s too complicated for everyone to understand its side effects. Maybe even for me. But I still think its people born or raised without a conscience that will corrupt anything we build. Those need to be stopped as well.
Ending capitalism is not the /only/ way. Within a capitalistic system, you can boycott shit. Most consumers are pushovers but it doesn’t have to be that way. I’m boycotting hundreds of shitty companies. Off the top of my head:
Those are all shitty companies that significantly worsen the world. Giving money or data to any of them contributes to enshitification of the world.
Of course it’s an option to stop supporting assholes. Become ethical. Be the change you want to see.
crony capitalism
Or limiting it at least. Instead of the free for all big business American and Chinese version.
Same as it has been for the last 100 years: Vote with your money. If you don’t like the product/service, don’t buy it. Stop thinking you can force them to change their offering.
I really hate this phrase. It basically is saying that if you have more money then you have more “votes”.
Or to put it in another way: If you have more money you matter more.
But… that’s true?
Yeah it is but it just irks me either way.
Edit:
I just want to clarify I am agreeing that in our current society that if you have more money you tend to be highly valued.
I am not agreeing that this is how it should be.
The crackhead down the road wasting away in his own piss and shit isn’t equally “valuable” to me or anybody that contributes to society in a positive manner. I don’t care how you spin it
Eh, found the right guy that needs to spin an unrelated argument so he can purposefully miss and derail the point.
That’s simply true. It doesn’t do anyone any good to disregard the facts.
That abstraction doesn’t help much. And first of all, it’s more accurate to derive the statement “If you have more money then you have more influence”.
It’s still a shitty status quo, but it is what it is. The worse thing you can do is tell people not to boycott shit products on the basis of rejecting reality. It’d be like telling people not to vote in elections because their vote is a drop in the ocean.
Some people vote for democrats, then they cancel their own vote by getting their internet service from Spectrum, buying fuel from Chevron for their car, shipping their packages using FedEx, getting their phone service from AT&T, banking at PNC Bank, flying on Boeing planes, shopping on Amazon, doing their web searches on a Microsoft syndicate’s site (e.g. DDG), buying Sony devices… etc. They either have no clue that most of their voting is actually for the republicans, or they think that drop-in-the-ocean vote that comes once in 4 years somehow carries more weight than the daily votes they cast with reckless disregard.
Greg Abbott’s war chest is mostly fed by oil companies. If you buy fuel for a car, you help Greg Abbott and other republicans. And if you buy from Chevron, you give the greatest support to republicans (Chevron is an ALEC member).
I don’t like the status quo and I think it should change.
If you have more money, that means that society values you more. Thus you matter more. You’re just a better human being when you have more money.
Exactly. Its the internalized version of our capitalistic autocracy, akin to stockholm syndrome.
Great idea. Next we leave countries that become autocracies.
Na fam. First the autocrats burn.
Oh yeah, it is * S.U.P.E.R * effective /sarcasm
I didn’t see the OP’s pic but these groups generally work against enshitification of the world:
Notice that none of those communities are on Cloudflared instances (thus also avoid propagating the enshitified portion of the fedi).
Thats awesome! Thank you very much!