I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not intending to make this assertion, but as a warning: transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny are not nice, and are not tolerated on Beehaw.
Actually I read that as misandry. Especially considering that when it comes to trans enmity TERFs are very much a driving force and those tend to be almost exclusively cis women, not men.
Nowadays everything it’s blamed to be some kind of phobia. Personally I don’t think I’m one of these but anyway I’m leaving beehaw just in case, can you please ban my account to save some time deleting it?
And you believe that it’s not that the Right has succeeded in pushing anti-LGBT propaganda onto young white men so much that it has tipped them towards that stance, but rather that it is genuine backlash by young white men against LGBT beliefs?
I believe isn’t just white men, a lot of men in general are not ok with the feminists and LGBT people preaching, and as men are IDK maybe 50% of the population that’s half the votes, the fact it’s radical people are just like 10% each side so both sides keep pushing their ideologies to take the remaining 80% votes.
a lot of men in general are not ok with the feminists and LGBT people preaching
But they are okay with non-feminists and anti-LBGT people “preaching”? And can you clarify who are you referring to when you say “radical people”? Is that meant to be feminists and LGBT people?
I wanted to ask, “what exactly is ‘radical’ on the Left?”, but I think it’s very clear that you’re coming from a viewpoint that is pretty well steeped in right-wing propaganda.
There is a fundamental issue at play here with your starting argument, which is the labeling of an affirmation of existence, e.g. “trans women are women” as an ideological position. To argue anything else is, by definition, to deny their existence. If trans women are not women, then they are not trans women, ipso facto. Denying someone’s identity is, no matter how you cut it, a position of dehumanization.
If I told you that you are not actually whatever gender you identify as, and I got enough people to do the same, you’d be rightfully angry and upset. That you clearly do not have to contend with that reality makes it clear why you are apparently comfortable taking that stance towards others.
There is no 10 / 10 / 80 division of power or ideology; there’s literally no factual basis for claiming that 80% of people are politically unaligned. The only purpose in that fabrication is to make a “both-sides” argument a la “Enlightened Centrism”. Right-wing anti-LGBT ideology is a massively powerful and widespread influence, that encompasses most of the religious Christian populace. To claim they are somehow equivalent to the ~2.5% of people who are LGBT+, or that the pro-LGBT Left are actually 10% and the anti-LGBT right-wingers are 10%, is ridiculous.
Lastly, the most basic, core tenet of Feminism is “equality between genders”. If someone believes that any tenet of feminism advocates inequality between genders, they have fallen prey to right-wing propaganda. If that equality is either threatening or unacceptable to someone, it should raise a ton of eyebrows.
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Maybe “trans women are women” there is a lot of men who believe that’s not true.
I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not intending to make this assertion, but as a warning: transphobia, homophobia, and misogyny are not nice, and are not tolerated on Beehaw.
Actually I read that as misandry. Especially considering that when it comes to trans enmity TERFs are very much a driving force and those tend to be almost exclusively cis women, not men.
Nowadays everything it’s blamed to be some kind of phobia. Personally I don’t think I’m one of these but anyway I’m leaving beehaw just in case, can you please ban my account to save some time deleting it?
And you believe that it’s not that the Right has succeeded in pushing anti-LGBT propaganda onto young white men so much that it has tipped them towards that stance, but rather that it is genuine backlash by young white men against LGBT beliefs?
I believe isn’t just white men, a lot of men in general are not ok with the feminists and LGBT people preaching, and as men are IDK maybe 50% of the population that’s half the votes, the fact it’s radical people are just like 10% each side so both sides keep pushing their ideologies to take the remaining 80% votes.
But they are okay with non-feminists and anti-LBGT people “preaching”? And can you clarify who are you referring to when you say “radical people”? Is that meant to be feminists and LGBT people?
Radical people of both sides right and left are just like 10% each. The remaining 80% of the population have to be convinced by both sides propaganda.
I wanted to ask, “what exactly is ‘radical’ on the Left?”, but I think it’s very clear that you’re coming from a viewpoint that is pretty well steeped in right-wing propaganda.
There is a fundamental issue at play here with your starting argument, which is the labeling of an affirmation of existence, e.g. “trans women are women” as an ideological position. To argue anything else is, by definition, to deny their existence. If trans women are not women, then they are not trans women, ipso facto. Denying someone’s identity is, no matter how you cut it, a position of dehumanization.
If I told you that you are not actually whatever gender you identify as, and I got enough people to do the same, you’d be rightfully angry and upset. That you clearly do not have to contend with that reality makes it clear why you are apparently comfortable taking that stance towards others.
There is no 10 / 10 / 80 division of power or ideology; there’s literally no factual basis for claiming that 80% of people are politically unaligned. The only purpose in that fabrication is to make a “both-sides” argument a la “Enlightened Centrism”. Right-wing anti-LGBT ideology is a massively powerful and widespread influence, that encompasses most of the religious Christian populace. To claim they are somehow equivalent to the ~2.5% of people who are LGBT+, or that the pro-LGBT Left are actually 10% and the anti-LGBT right-wingers are 10%, is ridiculous.
Lastly, the most basic, core tenet of Feminism is “equality between genders”. If someone believes that any tenet of feminism advocates inequality between genders, they have fallen prey to right-wing propaganda. If that equality is either threatening or unacceptable to someone, it should raise a ton of eyebrows.