I’ll make a counterpoint, honestly, conservative spaces aren’t handling the stopping all federal grants things well.
Lots of fiscal conservatives are suddenly having their stomachs drop realizing that Trump could actually cause a depression doing this kind of dumb shit.
I’m actually beginning to be skeptical of how much of this kind of insane shit they’ll actually put up with, because a lot of conservative people seemingly are actually loudly saying “Wait a minute, this could actually be really bad…”
Even on “flaired user only” threads on reddits /r/conservative there are many responses by obviously not-complete-dipshit conservatives while the rest of them are complaining about brigading in a flaired user thread lol.
I actually began wondering today if he crashes the economy if we’ll end up seeing the conservatives go Gaddafi on Trump.
Propaganda only goes so far if the botton falls out of your economy entirely. If suddenly they all don’t have jobs or hope for a future I don’t think they’re going to sit around and keep praising Trump.
AP has a new poll out which asked whether people think it’s a good or bad thing that the President “relies on billionaires for advice about government policy.” When I first saw the results of this poll as “good” coming in at “+12” I thought they meant ‘net’ 12% and I thought, ‘eeeesh, the honeymoon phase is more intense than I thought!’ But no, 12%: as in, 12% of the public think it’s a good thing. 60% think it’s not. That’s US adults. The only outliers are Republicans, 20% of whom think this is a good thing. But even that is pretty feeble. To put it simply, these are terrible numbers.
The easiest way to break people from propaganda is to simply let their personal lived reality become to starkly different from the propaganda that they can no longer ignore it in front of their own face. Trump may inadvertently give us that.
Depression? Trump could cause a civil war and the collapse of the American empire, in a way it will probably never recover from.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying these sober fiscal conservatives you mention have their heads up their asses so far that it’s coming back out between their front teeth, even as far as their own self-interest. Of course, there is nothing new there.
I’ll make a counterpoint, honestly, conservative spaces aren’t handling the stopping all federal grants things well.
Lots of fiscal conservatives are suddenly having their stomachs drop realizing that Trump could actually cause a depression doing this kind of dumb shit.
I’m actually beginning to be skeptical of how much of this kind of insane shit they’ll actually put up with, because a lot of conservative people seemingly are actually loudly saying “Wait a minute, this could actually be really bad…”
They always, always fall in line.
Even if they continue their idle consternation, if the election were held again today they would all vote identically.
His base turning on him 1) requires that they admit they were duped which they can’t since their whole identities are tied up in MAGA and 2) barely matters at this point. Despite his bullshitting hes not running again. He doesn’t need them anymore. None of this matters.
It doesn’t actually, and we don’t actually need them to admit or even understand that they made a mistake in supporting him. All we need is for them to be embarrassed enough or demotivated enough to give into their laziness and not to turn out at the midterms.
And they were embarrassed in many cases after last time. It’s just that the embarrassment that made them fail to turn out for him last time, and even to vote for Biden, was too far in the rear view and largely overshadowed by their annoyance with the administration between his terms.
And again, it does matter because his approval affects how politicians who do want to be reelected will react to him, as well as whether the agencies and departments he passes orders down to will enact them.
His word doesn’t just happen. It still requires cooperation. The less support he was, the less cooperation he’ll find.
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I’ll make a counterpoint, honestly, conservative spaces aren’t handling the stopping all federal grants things well.
Lots of fiscal conservatives are suddenly having their stomachs drop realizing that Trump could actually cause a depression doing this kind of dumb shit.
I’m actually beginning to be skeptical of how much of this kind of insane shit they’ll actually put up with, because a lot of conservative people seemingly are actually loudly saying “Wait a minute, this could actually be really bad…”
Even on “flaired user only” threads on reddits /r/conservative there are many responses by obviously not-complete-dipshit conservatives while the rest of them are complaining about brigading in a flaired user thread lol.
I actually began wondering today if he crashes the economy if we’ll end up seeing the conservatives go Gaddafi on Trump.
Propaganda only goes so far if the botton falls out of your economy entirely. If suddenly they all don’t have jobs or hope for a future I don’t think they’re going to sit around and keep praising Trump.
Further evidence from an AP Poll:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/new-poll-recommends-eating-the-billionaires
The easiest way to break people from propaganda is to simply let their personal lived reality become to starkly different from the propaganda that they can no longer ignore it in front of their own face. Trump may inadvertently give us that.
Depression? Trump could cause a civil war and the collapse of the American empire, in a way it will probably never recover from.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying these sober fiscal conservatives you mention have their heads up their asses so far that it’s coming back out between their front teeth, even as far as their own self-interest. Of course, there is nothing new there.
They always, always fall in line.
Even if they continue their idle consternation, if the election were held again today they would all vote identically.
I’ll be happy to be proven wrong.
This doesn’t reflect what we saw during his first administration. At all.
His base turning on him 1) requires that they admit they were duped which they can’t since their whole identities are tied up in MAGA and 2) barely matters at this point. Despite his bullshitting hes not running again. He doesn’t need them anymore. None of this matters.
It doesn’t actually, and we don’t actually need them to admit or even understand that they made a mistake in supporting him. All we need is for them to be embarrassed enough or demotivated enough to give into their laziness and not to turn out at the midterms.
And they were embarrassed in many cases after last time. It’s just that the embarrassment that made them fail to turn out for him last time, and even to vote for Biden, was too far in the rear view and largely overshadowed by their annoyance with the administration between his terms.
And again, it does matter because his approval affects how politicians who do want to be reelected will react to him, as well as whether the agencies and departments he passes orders down to will enact them.
His word doesn’t just happen. It still requires cooperation. The less support he was, the less cooperation he’ll find.
Hopefully he also inadvertently gives us a democratic federal government and leaves the republican party in a fractured mess.
Thank the heavens he’s term limited.
Is he though? Unfortunately, we may have yet to find out the answer to that question.