I have Big Brother admin stalking my comments to see if I follow the dictates of civility. Very cool.
I really don’t have the time to be stalking anyone. I’m here because your comments were reported, yet again. For the record, I didn’t ban you the last time, but I will share your feedback on a limited UI. I wish I was in control of that, but it’s unfortunately a limitation of lemmy- the modlog is public, by the way, so if you find yourself banned you can check it to see why.
The reason I’m here is because this is the fourth time I’ve been involved in chats with moderators about what to do with you. Help me out here, because many people don’t seem to like the way you’re behaving.
Here’s how I see your interactions:
You have a strong, and frankly from what I’ve seen often correct viewpoint and you like to chime in with it. This in and of itself is not a bad thing, but the way that you’re interacting with other users really just isn’t particularly nice. You call them names, you escalate, you assume that they’re out to get you or that if they don’t share your beliefs that they are less than you. I’m not particularly interested in playing the “who started it” game, because you didn’t try to diffuse the situation and that would go a long way demonstrating good faith. The moderator here did, they explicitly checked out after things got heated. They told you to have a nice day, and you still had to come back swinging.
What am I missing here? What am I misinterpreting?
Meta-comment: I made an edit significantly after submitting my other reply. Didn’t want to bifurcate the discussion by putting its content in this comment, but don’t know if you’d already read the other one. So this is just to let you know about the update in case you’ve already marked it as read.
The reason I’m here is because this is the fourth time I’ve been involved in chats with moderators about what to do with you. Help me out here, because many people don’t seem to like the way you’re behaving.
Pushing back on liberalism—and particularly its attack on the left—is, indeed, going to piss off a lot of liberals. Notice how in this conversation all I had to do was mention that I hope someone runs in the Green Party for ballot access, and that I will probably vote for them, in order for someone to go on the attack. Should I just start reporting that shit when it happens? Will you ban this moderator if I report them instead of clapping back? Is that how I get the authorities on this server to stop siding with the liberals for being liberal?
Realistically, if someone is intolerant to you, we’re not going to tone police you for responding in kind.
This, right here, looks an awful lot like tone policing to me, when there’s a hell of a lot of actual content and argument I made above in response to a liberal being insulting when I said I will vote for someone other than a Democrat. Perhaps being an admin of a site like this isn’t a great fit for folks who want to grease squeaky wheels and discipline anyone who disagrees with a moderator or with some of the general user base of a community.
Or, if that’s too challenging a line to walk, IDK maybe Beehaw should just ban political discussion and go to straight cat pics and hobbies. That’s unfortunately what a lot of families and professional environments come to when they can’t handle matters getting heated over literal life-and-death issues.
EDIT: I forgot to address the “de-escalation” part. They escalated above. Then they actually escalated in the same comment where they decided to bail. That is the very comment where they claimed I am “trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms”. Then they didn’t even just check out, but threatened me as a moderator with “consequences”. You seriously call that “de-escalating”? Is “de-escalation” to you just a cheap way to get the last word and tell someone that they are superficial and order them to shut the fuck up? (Taking notes as a moderator of /c/socialism myself, by the way. “What’s good for the goose,” I guess…)
This isn’t about sides, and I’m not sure how do communicate that to you. Our documents talk in depth about how this is a public space and we’re asking for a certain kind of behavior to your fellow user. I simply do not care if you two disagree - I care about how you disagree.
You’re pulling up other things I’ve said in order to start a fight with me when I’m asking for your help to understand what I’m missing. I cannot find any way to interpret this with good faith. Why are you fighting me instead of helping me to understand the bias you abuse me of? You’re treating me as someone attacking you even when I directly ask for your help and I just can’t see how anything else I’m going to say will change that. I’m timing you out for 2 weeks. If you come back and continue to be confrontational it’s likely to be permanent. If you don’t understand why I’m timing you out, you probably shouldn’t bother coming back, because I’m exhausted trying to explain what we’re trying to do here and it might just not be the space for you.
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I really don’t have the time to be stalking anyone. I’m here because your comments were reported, yet again. For the record, I didn’t ban you the last time, but I will share your feedback on a limited UI. I wish I was in control of that, but it’s unfortunately a limitation of lemmy- the modlog is public, by the way, so if you find yourself banned you can check it to see why.
The reason I’m here is because this is the fourth time I’ve been involved in chats with moderators about what to do with you. Help me out here, because many people don’t seem to like the way you’re behaving.
Here’s how I see your interactions:
You have a strong, and frankly from what I’ve seen often correct viewpoint and you like to chime in with it. This in and of itself is not a bad thing, but the way that you’re interacting with other users really just isn’t particularly nice. You call them names, you escalate, you assume that they’re out to get you or that if they don’t share your beliefs that they are less than you. I’m not particularly interested in playing the “who started it” game, because you didn’t try to diffuse the situation and that would go a long way demonstrating good faith. The moderator here did, they explicitly checked out after things got heated. They told you to have a nice day, and you still had to come back swinging.
What am I missing here? What am I misinterpreting?
Meta-comment: I made an edit significantly after submitting my other reply. Didn’t want to bifurcate the discussion by putting its content in this comment, but don’t know if you’d already read the other one. So this is just to let you know about the update in case you’ve already marked it as read.
Pushing back on liberalism—and particularly its attack on the left—is, indeed, going to piss off a lot of liberals. Notice how in this conversation all I had to do was mention that I hope someone runs in the Green Party for ballot access, and that I will probably vote for them, in order for someone to go on the attack. Should I just start reporting that shit when it happens? Will you ban this moderator if I report them instead of clapping back? Is that how I get the authorities on this server to stop siding with the liberals for being liberal?
In terms of helping you, I’ll also refer back to your own statement:
This, right here, looks an awful lot like tone policing to me, when there’s a hell of a lot of actual content and argument I made above in response to a liberal being insulting when I said I will vote for someone other than a Democrat. Perhaps being an admin of a site like this isn’t a great fit for folks who want to grease squeaky wheels and discipline anyone who disagrees with a moderator or with some of the general user base of a community.
Or, if that’s too challenging a line to walk, IDK maybe Beehaw should just ban political discussion and go to straight cat pics and hobbies. That’s unfortunately what a lot of families and professional environments come to when they can’t handle matters getting heated over literal life-and-death issues.
EDIT: I forgot to address the “de-escalation” part. They escalated above. Then they actually escalated in the same comment where they decided to bail. That is the very comment where they claimed I am “trying to combat fascism on philosophical terms”. Then they didn’t even just check out, but threatened me as a moderator with “consequences”. You seriously call that “de-escalating”? Is “de-escalation” to you just a cheap way to get the last word and tell someone that they are superficial and order them to shut the fuck up? (Taking notes as a moderator of /c/socialism myself, by the way. “What’s good for the goose,” I guess…)
This isn’t about sides, and I’m not sure how do communicate that to you. Our documents talk in depth about how this is a public space and we’re asking for a certain kind of behavior to your fellow user. I simply do not care if you two disagree - I care about how you disagree.
You’re pulling up other things I’ve said in order to start a fight with me when I’m asking for your help to understand what I’m missing. I cannot find any way to interpret this with good faith. Why are you fighting me instead of helping me to understand the bias you abuse me of? You’re treating me as someone attacking you even when I directly ask for your help and I just can’t see how anything else I’m going to say will change that. I’m timing you out for 2 weeks. If you come back and continue to be confrontational it’s likely to be permanent. If you don’t understand why I’m timing you out, you probably shouldn’t bother coming back, because I’m exhausted trying to explain what we’re trying to do here and it might just not be the space for you.