Usenet is unmoderated. Once you post it, it sticks forever. We could probably get one of the independent providers to give free access to a new newsgroup. Anyone have any thoughts?
I’ve used Usenet for my content needs for years because it’s so fast and risk free. I think we could also use it for our community discussions.
Usenet is a very old part of the internet. I think it predates the world wide web. It’s basically a message board. Which boards (like subs) exist on there is democratically decided. At least that was how it was done in Germany. For example, when there where too many Star Wars posts in the Science Fiction group de.rec.sf they decided to create one for Star Wars under de.rec.sf.starwars.
The actual content resides on newsservers around the globe. When you pass a message to one of them it is distributed around the globe to all the other servers. It’s similar to how Lemmy works, with the difference that with Lemmy content is only passed around when someone is actually subscribed to a particular community.
But many news servers don’t pass around messages that contain files. Because that would take up too much space. To get access to the servers that do pass around files you have to pay for the service. That is actually used for piracy nowadays.
Back in the days you could actually get access to usenet from your ISP. At least to the text only portion. Don’t know how you’d do it nowadays. It’s mostly fallen to obscurity.
This helped me understand usenet properly, thank you. I don’t see the allure of using it especially since torrents are free and largely seeded (depending on the indexer and your preference). I see why people would prefer it for more obscure stuff though.
The main reason it might be used is it integrates very well with services such as Sonarr/Radarr which can auto-download TV shows/movies if you have a good indexer. That and generally the Usenet servers do not keep access logs so it tends to be a lot safer than torrenting. For software/games etc. I would stick with torrents, but for TV/Movies if you have your own server Usenet is a compelling service.
Free is always the best price! I’ve been using a Sonarr/SABnzbd/Emby setup on my home built NAS (unRAID) for about 7 years now. Until recently I had about 9.5TB of shows but then got ransomwared :(. Got about 4 of it back now and counting!
Ah, I’m from a country that doesn’t enforce copyright much (at all) so using a VPN has not been a requisite for me, but I see how the speeds could be worth the money.
Usenet was originally intended for sharing information but then it moved into being sort of the first social media platform then it kind of transitioned back into being mostly used for file sharing.
I can totally saturate my 1 gig internet connection with Usenet. Can download at incredible speeds. No need to ever upload. No logs of what I download. Almost instant access.
You need an indexer and you need a provider. Then you use sabnzbd to queue up what you want to download. It’s not free but depending on how much you plan to download, it’s a bargain.
For indexers I suggest drunkenslug or nzbplanet.
For a provider I suggest NewsDemon or Usenet.farm. They are both good independent providers who have helped Usenet stay alive and not succumb to corporate greed.
Have you always needed a separate indexer? I vaguely recall using Usenet a decade ago and being able to download directly from the thread I was browsing. Do some providers include an indexer with the Usenet subscription?
You’ll find bits and pieces, but many indexers (and their uploaders) heavily obfuscate and password their stuff. You’ll never find it with nzbking or binsearch or manually downloading headers in a newsreader like it was common 15-20 years ago. Pretty much like a private torrent tracker.
I guess you could manually scroll through boards and download files that you want but so much of the stuff uploaded is heavily obfuscated so the advantage of an indexer is you can search for a file name and find it quickly and easily
I know a lot of people are steering clear of Reddit (and the Usenet subreddit’s moderators appear to be stepping down) but it seems like openings were announced there quite consistently.
I’m not sure if there’s an easier method to stay in the loop like email notifications for example
You would need to set up something to monitor web page changes like maybe every 12-24 hours or so. You would be monitoring https://drunkenslug.com/register
As far as I’m aware they’ve closed new registrations for now but you could try one of the other indexers for now until they open back up! I’m waiting for them to open up myself.
Usenet WAS basically the internet back in the early to mid 90s,they are also called list servers, that’s basically what they are.
You post to a list by topic and it appends your post to the list. It’s like reddit in that there are topics and subjects but the list just goes on forever.
Each post will have your subject line and other header info and the software will let you reply and quote and so on.
The key is that it isn’t very centralized, servers will copy the lists and host their own. The cool thing was it would let you post binaries. So piracy and pr0n on the internet was here b4 websites were really a thing.
There are a lot of list servers out there but my understanding is that the good ones are a subscription now.
Yes. You need to pay a small amount but unless you plan on downloading many TBs of stuff the cost is really small. The speeds and lack of risk makes it worthwhile for me. I think I paid $5 for a 1 TB account and I can use the free level of access at my indexers without having to pay.
Like I said in my original post, I wonder if we can get a provider to host a newsgroup for us for free?
I messaged the owner of the Newsgroup direct website on Reddit and asked if he would honor an old price and he did. He was very active on the Usenet subreddit.
I’ve had a lifetime sub for NZBGeek (indexer) since 2015 (one-off payment of something like 20-30 USD) and currently pay 6 USD/month for unlimited downloads with NewsGroupDirect. The NGD sub was 4 USD/month until recently and I got it at that price through a promotion that I found out about on Reddit (probably r/usenet) a few years ago.
There’s some free trials listed here, but sadly all the best info is probably still on r/usenet.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Hi, I keep hearing this everywhere, what exactly is usenet and how do I use it? (sorry if this is derailing the point of your question)
Usenet is a very old part of the internet. I think it predates the world wide web. It’s basically a message board. Which boards (like subs) exist on there is democratically decided. At least that was how it was done in Germany. For example, when there where too many Star Wars posts in the Science Fiction group de.rec.sf they decided to create one for Star Wars under de.rec.sf.starwars.
The actual content resides on newsservers around the globe. When you pass a message to one of them it is distributed around the globe to all the other servers. It’s similar to how Lemmy works, with the difference that with Lemmy content is only passed around when someone is actually subscribed to a particular community.
But many news servers don’t pass around messages that contain files. Because that would take up too much space. To get access to the servers that do pass around files you have to pay for the service. That is actually used for piracy nowadays.
Back in the days you could actually get access to usenet from your ISP. At least to the text only portion. Don’t know how you’d do it nowadays. It’s mostly fallen to obscurity.
This helped me understand usenet properly, thank you. I don’t see the allure of using it especially since torrents are free and largely seeded (depending on the indexer and your preference). I see why people would prefer it for more obscure stuff though.
The main reason it might be used is it integrates very well with services such as Sonarr/Radarr which can auto-download TV shows/movies if you have a good indexer. That and generally the Usenet servers do not keep access logs so it tends to be a lot safer than torrenting. For software/games etc. I would stick with torrents, but for TV/Movies if you have your own server Usenet is a compelling service.
I have used both and I don’t disagree with you, but I want to say it’s worth noting that torrents also work fine with Sonarr and Radarr!
Good point - I did find torrents a lot more fiddly to set up though.
Agreed again haha, it was way more fiddly (but also more free!)
These days I’m just using Stremio for my media though, with add-ons it’s glorious
Free is always the best price! I’ve been using a Sonarr/SABnzbd/Emby setup on my home built NAS (unRAID) for about 7 years now. Until recently I had about 9.5TB of shows but then got ransomwared :(. Got about 4 of it back now and counting!
Omg that’s awful 😱 sorry for your loss
Aside from the other two comments I’ve heard Usenet is good for more obscure content such as older TV shows that may not be well seeded
You don’t need a VPN with Usenet. The connection is encrypted. That, and the fact that speeds are dramatically faster make up the difference in cost.
Ah, I’m from a country that doesn’t enforce copyright much (at all) so using a VPN has not been a requisite for me, but I see how the speeds could be worth the money.
Usenet was originally intended for sharing information but then it moved into being sort of the first social media platform then it kind of transitioned back into being mostly used for file sharing.
I can totally saturate my 1 gig internet connection with Usenet. Can download at incredible speeds. No need to ever upload. No logs of what I download. Almost instant access.
You need an indexer and you need a provider. Then you use sabnzbd to queue up what you want to download. It’s not free but depending on how much you plan to download, it’s a bargain.
For indexers I suggest drunkenslug or nzbplanet. For a provider I suggest NewsDemon or Usenet.farm. They are both good independent providers who have helped Usenet stay alive and not succumb to corporate greed.
Have you always needed a separate indexer? I vaguely recall using Usenet a decade ago and being able to download directly from the thread I was browsing. Do some providers include an indexer with the Usenet subscription?
You’ll find bits and pieces, but many indexers (and their uploaders) heavily obfuscate and password their stuff. You’ll never find it with nzbking or binsearch or manually downloading headers in a newsreader like it was common 15-20 years ago. Pretty much like a private torrent tracker.
I guess you could manually scroll through boards and download files that you want but so much of the stuff uploaded is heavily obfuscated so the advantage of an indexer is you can search for a file name and find it quickly and easily
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They open registration a few times a year so just keep an eye out.
I know a lot of people are steering clear of Reddit (and the Usenet subreddit’s moderators appear to be stepping down) but it seems like openings were announced there quite consistently.
I’m not sure if there’s an easier method to stay in the loop like email notifications for example
You would need to set up something to monitor web page changes like maybe every 12-24 hours or so. You would be monitoring https://drunkenslug.com/register
I’m not an expert in that area but in the past have had some success with Chrome browser extensions like Distill Web Monitor https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/distill-web-monitor/inlikjemeeknofckkjolnjbpehgadgge
I might make it my new tab screen and ballpark it off of past trends
As far as I’m aware they’ve closed new registrations for now but you could try one of the other indexers for now until they open back up! I’m waiting for them to open up myself.
This was very insightful, thank you!
Usenet WAS basically the internet back in the early to mid 90s,they are also called list servers, that’s basically what they are.
You post to a list by topic and it appends your post to the list. It’s like reddit in that there are topics and subjects but the list just goes on forever.
Each post will have your subject line and other header info and the software will let you reply and quote and so on.
The key is that it isn’t very centralized, servers will copy the lists and host their own. The cool thing was it would let you post binaries. So piracy and pr0n on the internet was here b4 websites were really a thing.
There are a lot of list servers out there but my understanding is that the good ones are a subscription now.
Yes. You need to pay a small amount but unless you plan on downloading many TBs of stuff the cost is really small. The speeds and lack of risk makes it worthwhile for me. I think I paid $5 for a 1 TB account and I can use the free level of access at my indexers without having to pay.
Like I said in my original post, I wonder if we can get a provider to host a newsgroup for us for free?
Where did you get this deal if you don’t mind me asking?
I personally use frugalusenet for $4/pm, which is unlimited, but if I could find $5/1TB I would switch to that.
Indexer I pay $1/pm for a big one and I have a free one that has less.
Could you point me towards the free one? I just want a taste of usenet before I commit
Also, usenet.farm (backend) has a 10GB trial.
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I messaged the owner of the Newsgroup direct website on Reddit and asked if he would honor an old price and he did. He was very active on the Usenet subreddit.
I’ve had a lifetime sub for NZBGeek (indexer) since 2015 (one-off payment of something like 20-30 USD) and currently pay 6 USD/month for unlimited downloads with NewsGroupDirect. The NGD sub was 4 USD/month until recently and I got it at that price through a promotion that I found out about on Reddit (probably r/usenet) a few years ago.
There’s some free trials listed here, but sadly all the best info is probably still on r/usenet.
Thank you!