currently i use Jellyfin for my music library but i am not really happy with it. I used to use Plex and it was wonderful but… here we are…
I already tried Navidrome but for me a crucial feature is to be able to import spotify playlists and rebuild them with my local library.
For jellyfin there is a plugin that does that and it works 90% of the time. But even after finding several scripts and docker-composes i could host i was never able to properly import my spotify playlists into navidrom. Reason why that is so crucial is that i use spotify to build playlists, make song-radios and add them back into the playlist and then i download this playlist using various tools.
I then rebuild these playlists inside my music library.
Now i found Music Assistant 2.0 for my HomeAssistant and it’s incredibly awesome! Being able to fully use my sonos speakers and group them on the fly is amazing! But using song radios inside it with my jellyfin as the media provider apparently uses jellyfin’s “instant mix” and my goodness is that ever hot garbabe… i have my whole library being properly tagged by Picard and every song has the proper metadata and all that but Instant mix is just plain useless. For 50% of my songs it will just put the same song 5 times into the queue and be done with it. Sometimes it’s actually able to build a good sounding radio but that’s really hit or miss.
So to conclude, what would you guys recommend if i want a music library that:
Has preferably a subsonic API to maximise compatibility with different players
Has the ability to import and reconstruct my spotify playlists
Has a working song radio / instant mix feature that will not collapse as soon as you try to use it
Agreed that there’s no all-in-one solution to play local music and music on Spotify (if I’m a premium user). I vaguely recall there’s a solution to automate playing Spotify music and record it in real-time (since you cannot download music directly) but it seemed too troublesome, so I eventually chose spot-dl4 to download music from YouTube using Spotify playlist, then the folder got imported into Lidarr/Navidrome, then my Symfonium on Android connects to Navidrome to get the songs.
It’s quite a bit of manual work to add songs to a separate playlist if I like something on Spotify then use spot-dl4 to do the download. At least, I successfully keep a copy of my favourite songs on my server.
It does still have some issues, but it is being heavily worked on and has been for 12-18 months at this point. Has taken huge strides, and if you’re in the beta channel you’ll see lots of work being done.
Oh there are tools to download from spotify directly ;)
They pretend to be a player, download the songs into the offline cache and decrypt them using your login credentials.
I can DM them if you’re interested. It’s interesting because yt music premium still only givey you 256kbit/s but spotify premium goes up to 320kbit/s
I know you’ve mentioned it, but Navidrome is probably the best choice, but it won’t be exactly what you want since you need to interact with a proprietary service.
But, that said, I’ve gone through basically every single music server I’ve found and ended up landing on none of them.
They’re all broken or missing features that another one has, and there’s no One True Music Streaming Server, just a bunch of mostly-kinda-sorta-almosts.
At this point, I just use a network mapped directory and/or a synced copy on the sd card of my phone and local players and don’t bother with anything more complex anymore.
The local players that can play media seem to have a much better, richer feature set than ANY streaming one does.
For my mobile player i use symfonium and it’s awesome.
I’d really love to use navidrome but those spotify playlist’s are really important to me lol. Spent a few good years of curating into them and i’d would be way too much work to rebuild them by hand. Also expanding on those playlists is super comfortable with spotify, downloading the playlist and just syncing it.
Do you use the “instant mix” “song radio” of navidrome? (does it even have one?) and if yes, how do like it?
The clients i use all can use getSimilarSongs API so worth a shot i guess… depends on how good navidrome handles that because jellyfin surely sucks at it :D
I love jellyfin with all my heart. It’s an amazing application but it’s really really barebones when it comes to music sadly.
Okay so this is for subsonic, well subsonic is a paid service so i’m not really in favor of that :D
But this would check two of my three points. I tried their demo but didn’t find anything for “instant mix / song radio” do you know if it has something like that?
I have tried them all, it’s Navidrome. It’s actually less resources for me to run 4 instances of Navidrome for my different users than it is to use any of the other servers that allow for separate user libraries. Just make sure you alter the folder scan interval, it’s stupidly frequent by default.
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You can use Subtify with Navidrome to import your playlists. It matches your Spotify playlists with your local music.
ah good to know, will try this then - thanks!
Agreed that there’s no all-in-one solution to play local music and music on Spotify (if I’m a premium user). I vaguely recall there’s a solution to automate playing Spotify music and record it in real-time (since you cannot download music directly) but it seemed too troublesome, so I eventually chose spot-dl4 to download music from YouTube using Spotify playlist, then the folder got imported into Lidarr/Navidrome, then my Symfonium on Android connects to Navidrome to get the songs.
It’s quite a bit of manual work to add songs to a separate playlist if I like something on Spotify then use spot-dl4 to do the download. At least, I successfully keep a copy of my favourite songs on my server.
There is, check out the Music Assistant add-on for Home Assistant.
I’ve started using that one recently. Works kinda okish - but the UI is quite clunky and slow.
It does still have some issues, but it is being heavily worked on and has been for 12-18 months at this point. Has taken huge strides, and if you’re in the beta channel you’ll see lots of work being done.
You have to use the ‘OS’ version though, or is it my wrong understanding?
Oh there are tools to download from spotify directly ;) They pretend to be a player, download the songs into the offline cache and decrypt them using your login credentials.
I can DM them if you’re interested. It’s interesting because yt music premium still only givey you 256kbit/s but spotify premium goes up to 320kbit/s
I googled it on ddg. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, very useful.
i prefer to say i ddg’ed it on kagi but to each their own :D
I know you’ve mentioned it, but Navidrome is probably the best choice, but it won’t be exactly what you want since you need to interact with a proprietary service.
But, that said, I’ve gone through basically every single music server I’ve found and ended up landing on none of them.
They’re all broken or missing features that another one has, and there’s no One True Music Streaming Server, just a bunch of mostly-kinda-sorta-almosts.
At this point, I just use a network mapped directory and/or a synced copy on the sd card of my phone and local players and don’t bother with anything more complex anymore.
The local players that can play media seem to have a much better, richer feature set than ANY streaming one does.
For my mobile player i use symfonium and it’s awesome.
I’d really love to use navidrome but those spotify playlist’s are really important to me lol. Spent a few good years of curating into them and i’d would be way too much work to rebuild them by hand. Also expanding on those playlists is super comfortable with spotify, downloading the playlist and just syncing it.
Do you use the “instant mix” “song radio” of navidrome? (does it even have one?) and if yes, how do like it?
It looks like it supports the getSimilarSongs API endpoint, which means if your client has support then navidrome can kinda do it.
As to what clients support that, uh, no freaking idea lol, but probably googleable from that point.
(I’m a grumpy old boomer and listen to whole albums or curated playlists, so never really looked into if you could do that or not.)
The clients i use all can use getSimilarSongs API so worth a shot i guess… depends on how good navidrome handles that because jellyfin surely sucks at it :D
I love jellyfin with all my heart. It’s an amazing application but it’s really really barebones when it comes to music sadly.
Yeah, I tried to use music and audiobooks in Jellyfin and even with apps focused on that it was just… rough.
Pity, since I’d love to have been able to scope down how much shit I’m running, but alas, that’s not going to be the way to do it.
yeah nothing beats audiobookshelf imho^^ never tried jelly for that to begin with.
Well appears as if i just stay with jellyfin for music and try to just forget that instant mixes exist :D
So I came across something that might be a partial solution: https://github.com/LumePart/Explo
Figured I should update the thread in case it helps you/someone else.
Interesting!
I’ll try it out
You may be interested in https://github.com/blastbeng/subtify Disclaimer: I’ve never tried it, just saw it recently on The Forbidden Site
Okay so this is for subsonic, well subsonic is a paid service so i’m not really in favor of that :D But this would check two of my three points. I tried their demo but didn’t find anything for “instant mix / song radio” do you know if it has something like that?
I have tried them all, it’s Navidrome. It’s actually less resources for me to run 4 instances of Navidrome for my different users than it is to use any of the other servers that allow for separate user libraries. Just make sure you alter the folder scan interval, it’s stupidly frequent by default.