Eh, I don’t know if it was illegitimate or not considering he allowed abuse to carry on on the platform for years and due to no encryption it was well known about.
I hope either people using the platform or telegram itself learn their lesson and the people using it leave for better platforms or telegram finally add meaningful encryption and stop pretending that they can sit back and do nothing.
No, I’m not suggesting abuse should be allowed to carry on just because it moved to encrypted messengers, nor that all the ‘illegal’ things that happened on it are bad (something being illegal doesn’t mean it is unethical inherently), just that those doing nothing unethical deserve protection and telegram doesn’t provide it.
As for the rest well, they deserve to be taken down and kept well away from anything that would enable them to abuse.
telegram did something important by being the first mass market “private” messenger that people were aware of. it has outlived this usefulness by nearly five years now. even the things that replaced it at this point are getting run into the ground and require replacing.
even the things that replaced it at this point are getting run into the ground and require replacing.
How so and what ‘mass market’ messengers are there that could replace them?
I have scoured and tried many messengers and most of them are just plain either not there yet or never will be.
The only one that is actually private and good I have come across is Signal and it doesn’t seem like it is either “run into the ground” nor does it “need replacing”.
I just don’t see anything else becoming ‘mass market’ as most of them are too niche or are developed only for tech obsessives and paranoid folks, with either not always on e2ee or suspect business practices or just not on all platforms or never will be.
signal has been eroding it’s trustworthiness, and all the stuff you said is why myself and most folks keep using it despite its downsides. in a perfect world more of us would be working to make xmpp a viable option for most people but as it stands it’s a touch too technical for the average person’s mom and dad, who are ultimately who you have to appeal to
I agree somewhat because of the premined coins fiasco but I’m not sure what else you could be referring to, if anything.
XMPP is not viable imo because of its approach to ‘standards’ and XEPs and that its e2ee is not always on and can be turned off, not to mention not necessarily not all that good encryption to begin with since most clients still use the old versions of OMEMO and the other methods of e2ee for it don’t (yet) have PFS.
Eh, I don’t know if it was illegitimate or not considering he allowed abuse to carry on on the platform for years and due to no encryption it was well known about.
Knife makers absolutely know people are using their tools to commit crimes, up to and even murder. Are they going to be held up until they do Something™ about it?
I think this is a false equivilance. One knife manufacturer doesn’t control all the knives on the market. Telegram had the ability to do something about it and didn’t.
SimpleX isn’t a fun or customisable messenger, so most people will not use it until it has the other features that Telegram or Signal have. Its funding sources/business structure are suspect, it could easily end up sold off and/or enshitified.
Also, SimpleX doesn’t have easy or in some cases possible (as it isn’t possible to access the file structure completely on some OSs) profile/message syncing on all platforms.
Finally, SimpleX isn’t fully compatible with all devices and sticks them in an awful looking mode with no prioritised plans to fix this, Telegram and a few others don’t have this problem.
Briar isn’t on all platforms yet, so that’s why there.
You’re not there for fun lol, you’re there to pirate stuff. Sure, using Signal to pirate would be fine too but your anonymity depends on how long they honor their word of “no logs”. Use a desktop version/ run a VM if you’re on MacOS or something.
Everybody hates me when I say it but Apple users should really reconsider their choices if they are at all interested in privacy. Go get a cheap Android device, hope it has a kernel beyond 5.10 and KernelSU it.
Anyway, what about the other issues I mentioned with SimpleX such as funding/business structure and no easy syncing?
You are assuming a lot about me, which is fair since I didn’t give much to work with, but not accurate. Though, Android tablets are not all that great in my experience with them.
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Imagine using a messenger without meaningful end-to-end encryption and expecting privacy and no moderation forever.
Particularly after a country publicly illigitimately arrested the CEO of said messenger.
Eh, I don’t know if it was illegitimate or not considering he allowed abuse to carry on on the platform for years and due to no encryption it was well known about.
I hope either people using the platform or telegram itself learn their lesson and the people using it leave for better platforms or telegram finally add meaningful encryption and stop pretending that they can sit back and do nothing.
No, I’m not suggesting abuse should be allowed to carry on just because it moved to encrypted messengers, nor that all the ‘illegal’ things that happened on it are bad (something being illegal doesn’t mean it is unethical inherently), just that those doing nothing unethical deserve protection and telegram doesn’t provide it.
As for the rest well, they deserve to be taken down and kept well away from anything that would enable them to abuse.
telegram did something important by being the first mass market “private” messenger that people were aware of. it has outlived this usefulness by nearly five years now. even the things that replaced it at this point are getting run into the ground and require replacing.
How so and what ‘mass market’ messengers are there that could replace them?
I have scoured and tried many messengers and most of them are just plain either not there yet or never will be.
The only one that is actually private and good I have come across is Signal and it doesn’t seem like it is either “run into the ground” nor does it “need replacing”.
I just don’t see anything else becoming ‘mass market’ as most of them are too niche or are developed only for tech obsessives and paranoid folks, with either not always on e2ee or suspect business practices or just not on all platforms or never will be.
signal has been eroding it’s trustworthiness, and all the stuff you said is why myself and most folks keep using it despite its downsides. in a perfect world more of us would be working to make xmpp a viable option for most people but as it stands it’s a touch too technical for the average person’s mom and dad, who are ultimately who you have to appeal to
I agree somewhat because of the premined coins fiasco but I’m not sure what else you could be referring to, if anything.
XMPP is not viable imo because of its approach to ‘standards’ and XEPs and that its e2ee is not always on and can be turned off, not to mention not necessarily not all that good encryption to begin with since most clients still use the old versions of OMEMO and the other methods of e2ee for it don’t (yet) have PFS.
Knife makers absolutely know people are using their tools to commit crimes, up to and even murder. Are they going to be held up until they do Something™ about it?
I think this is a false equivilance. One knife manufacturer doesn’t control all the knives on the market. Telegram had the ability to do something about it and didn’t.
I still don’t understand; why not simplex/briar?
SimpleX isn’t a fun or customisable messenger, so most people will not use it until it has the other features that Telegram or Signal have. Its funding sources/business structure are suspect, it could easily end up sold off and/or enshitified.
Also, SimpleX doesn’t have easy or in some cases possible (as it isn’t possible to access the file structure completely on some OSs) profile/message syncing on all platforms.
Finally, SimpleX isn’t fully compatible with all devices and sticks them in an awful looking mode with no prioritised plans to fix this, Telegram and a few others don’t have this problem.
Briar isn’t on all platforms yet, so that’s why there.
You’re not there for fun lol, you’re there to pirate stuff. Sure, using Signal to pirate would be fine too but your anonymity depends on how long they honor their word of “no logs”. Use a desktop version/ run a VM if you’re on MacOS or something.
Everybody hates me when I say it but Apple users should really reconsider their choices if they are at all interested in privacy. Go get a cheap Android device, hope it has a kernel beyond 5.10 and KernelSU it.
Okay? Pirating isn’t fun?
Anyway, what about the other issues I mentioned with SimpleX such as funding/business structure and no easy syncing?
You are assuming a lot about me, which is fair since I didn’t give much to work with, but not accurate. Though, Android tablets are not all that great in my experience with them.