There seems to be a sub-group of salty dogs that sail without protection. They are often US saying they get lots of letters from ISP but nothing comes of it, lately. I’m one to hedge on the side of caution and will be continuing to use VPN but just wondering how much this is just a loud minority and how much truth is to it?
A VPN literally does not change anything that comes through to you from the internet. I mean, thats the whole point, isn’t it? So, actually using a VPN you are “rawdogging” the internet, not the other way round.
I only use a vpn on public trackers, on private trackers I don’t use a vpn.
But generally if you don’t live in a third world country you should almost always use a vpn.
I live in Germany and luckily my ISP doesn’t care about torrenting.
OP here living on the edge.
I usually only download through my seedbox located in NL.
Luckily a VPN connection is included with my seedbox and recently had a reason to use it for torrenting from a private page.
Those letters are often void threats. ISPs are not really the right plaintiff to bring priacy cases to court. The only thing they can do is to terminate service but that is obviously not in their interest.
Just if you are already paying for a VPN and the download/upload speed is acceptable, there is no point in getting yourself in trouble no matter how small the odd is.
Thank you for the link. I literally hadn’t seen anything of people being prosecuted since the mid-2010s so that was very informative. Outside of the NSFW category of torrents has any game or tv series led to indictments?
Instead of spending money on a vpn and it might not work with port forwarding and me having to make sure my uptime is working I decided to spent the cash on a seedbox instead.
Any issue? Open a ticket with support and be done. No need to make yourself crazy why something is not working as it did 2min ago.
I torrented the vast majority of my growing 28tb library without a vpn over the last 7ish years.
This year alone, I’ve received 45 email notices from my ISP forwarding copyright claims to me. Neither the ISP nor any claimants have taken further action and the content in the claim(s) has always finished seeding and been removed from the torrent client by the time I’ve received the notice. (the notice specifies a particular torrent title/filename)
Despite not yet having legal issues or service interruptions; I have just recently decided to switch from torrenting to usenet via Frugal Usenet+NZBGeek (usenet provider+indexer). Better availability (In 2 days, I grabbed 2.8tb of content I hadn’t been able to find via torrents and 15+ indexers), continuous 70+mbps downloads, and no need for a vpn while also not receiving anymore copyright claims for only about $6/month.
I’ve been torrenting for almost 20 years and no one cares here where I live. I got VPN few months ago anyway, paying 5€/mo and I sleep better. The problem is I had to change provider already (Mullvad -> AirVPN). Its not easy to find proper VPN with port forwarding and Im afraid there will be even less providers in the future. Maybe I’m wrong, but feels like I’ll have to ditch PF in near future.
Can you elaborate what you mean? If someone lives in an oppressive country e.g. China, with many blocked sites or censured internet, I understand. But if you don’t live in such a country what would be a usecase apart from piracy?
Well, one of the biggest reasons to have a VPN is just the privacy. Your ISP spies on you, and sells your browsing data to corporations like Amazon. A good VPN will also block ads, trackers, and malware, which helps keep you safe while browsing. You might also be on an ISP that throttles some types of traffic, such as streaming media.
A VPN, as long as it’s set up right, prevents anyone from seeing what you’re doing, even if they have access to your traffic. And if you’re in the US, there’s a strong argument that being free from casual intrusion into your internet habits by corporations and the government is a Constitutional right.
That’s my main reason. I don’t trust my ISP at all. Plus, they most likely are the only one in your area. I’d rather not give them any ammunition to mess with me.
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I once received a secure message from my isp after downloading a certain film. I’ve been pretty paranoid ever since.
VPN without a doubt.
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A VPN is not a condom … Literally doesn’t do shit against infections
Yeah… A VPN is just closing the curtains before shagging on the living room couch.
It’s still happening, and you may end up with an infection, but others outside your private
networkresidence can’t see what you’re doing.Why would you want to rawdog the internet?
I want to feel every 0 + 1, maybe even a 2.
A VPN literally does not change anything that comes through to you from the internet. I mean, thats the whole point, isn’t it? So, actually using a VPN you are “rawdogging” the internet, not the other way round.
I only use a vpn on public trackers, on private trackers I don’t use a vpn.
But generally if you don’t live in a third world country you should almost always use a vpn. I live in Germany and luckily my ISP doesn’t care about torrenting.
OP here living on the edge.
I usually only download through my seedbox located in NL.
Luckily a VPN connection is included with my seedbox and recently had a reason to use it for torrenting from a private page.
What ISP are you using?
My current ISP is VSE, Innogy highspeed, E.on Highspeed or whatever name they’ll be using next. They change their name every few months or so
Sadly they do CG-NAT which is a dealbreaker for me :/
They offer a dedicated IP for around 1 Euro per month. Recently I noticed they also enabled IPv6 natively
Still stuck with someone not willing to go >50mbit/s at home. I will try to keep them in mind once it comes to it ;)
Thank you!
Those letters are often void threats. ISPs are not really the right plaintiff to bring priacy cases to court. The only thing they can do is to terminate service but that is obviously not in their interest.
Just if you are already paying for a VPN and the download/upload speed is acceptable, there is no point in getting yourself in trouble no matter how small the odd is.
Plenty of people have unprotected sex. That doesn’t stop a portion from getting AIDs. I can give you plenty of stories of people downloading a hot (monitored) torrent and then paying thousands of dollars in legal fees after ignoring the notice.
Get a VPN, or a Debrid service if you are strapped for cash. Why roll the dice when you don’t have to?
Thank you for the link. I literally hadn’t seen anything of people being prosecuted since the mid-2010s so that was very informative. Outside of the NSFW category of torrents has any game or tv series led to indictments?
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Instead of spending money on a vpn and it might not work with port forwarding and me having to make sure my uptime is working I decided to spent the cash on a seedbox instead.
Any issue? Open a ticket with support and be done. No need to make yourself crazy why something is not working as it did 2min ago.
BUT it’s more expensive than hosting a seedbox.
A VPN subscription is super cheap and even if your risk without one is minor, I see little reason to not use one just in case.
I torrented the vast majority of my growing 28tb library without a vpn over the last 7ish years.
This year alone, I’ve received 45 email notices from my ISP forwarding copyright claims to me. Neither the ISP nor any claimants have taken further action and the content in the claim(s) has always finished seeding and been removed from the torrent client by the time I’ve received the notice. (the notice specifies a particular torrent title/filename)
Despite not yet having legal issues or service interruptions; I have just recently decided to switch from torrenting to usenet via Frugal Usenet+NZBGeek (usenet provider+indexer). Better availability (In 2 days, I grabbed 2.8tb of content I hadn’t been able to find via torrents and 15+ indexers), continuous 70+mbps downloads, and no need for a vpn while also not receiving anymore copyright claims for only about $6/month.
I’ve been torrenting for almost 20 years and no one cares here where I live. I got VPN few months ago anyway, paying 5€/mo and I sleep better. The problem is I had to change provider already (Mullvad -> AirVPN). Its not easy to find proper VPN with port forwarding and Im afraid there will be even less providers in the future. Maybe I’m wrong, but feels like I’ll have to ditch PF in near future.
I thought Mullvad had portforwarding?
Yeah it had, but not anymore…
It’s a minority.
I mean, a VPN protects you from a lot more than just copyright trolls. Even if you’re not sailing the high seas, it’s better to have one than not.
Can you elaborate what you mean? If someone lives in an oppressive country e.g. China, with many blocked sites or censured internet, I understand. But if you don’t live in such a country what would be a usecase apart from piracy?
Well, one of the biggest reasons to have a VPN is just the privacy. Your ISP spies on you, and sells your browsing data to corporations like Amazon. A good VPN will also block ads, trackers, and malware, which helps keep you safe while browsing. You might also be on an ISP that throttles some types of traffic, such as streaming media.
A VPN, as long as it’s set up right, prevents anyone from seeing what you’re doing, even if they have access to your traffic. And if you’re in the US, there’s a strong argument that being free from casual intrusion into your internet habits by corporations and the government is a Constitutional right.
That’s my main reason. I don’t trust my ISP at all. Plus, they most likely are the only one in your area. I’d rather not give them any ammunition to mess with me.
I’d always use a VPN, you never know what could happen in the future. Better be safe than sorry!