The ‘free speech absolutist’ gleefully promoting anti-vaccine misinformation is now suing a hate speech watchdog for “using flawed methodologies to advance incorrect, misleading narratives."
We need laws against business owners that frivolously run their business into the ground and damage others’ without retaining any liability beyond the business’ death.
They have a civil suit against him, but that kind of lawsuit is almost never successful (edit: at pinning liability onto the business owner - I’m saying liability will probably only fall to Twitter and not Musk personally /edit). Twitter is still a limited liability company, and now that it is privately owned its owners are free to run it into the ground - they don’t have an obligation to shareholders.
Private businesses should be free to do this, but this was a publicly traded company turned private, so arguably there should be solid protections in law that make this wrong rather than the only option being a difficult civil lawsuit.
Private companies shouldn’t be able to do that because it still has a negative impact on society. When a company implodes there are employees that have their lives ruined, suppliers that will now have problems of their own, which will lead to more lives ruined.
This view that if you aren’t a shareholder you aren’t an important stakeholder in a company is incredibly damaging to the social fabric.
He was forced to follow through with the sale, the law is what protected Twitter’s board of executives and shareholders from Musk not taking Twitter private.
After the business is private, the owner has no contractual obligation to take actions that benefit the company (unlike a CEO), he probably could have just shut Twitter down right after he bought it if he wanted to.
Idk how many Twitter employees held shares and how many shares they held but the shares were their legal protection against Musk taking Twitter private and running it into the ground.
I agree that we need changes that favor employee protections but it’s a slippery slope as to who exactly is liable. Is it Musk? Twitter’s BoD/shareholders? What exactly are they liable for? [Quick edit] Also, what would the penalties be and who would be the claimants?
Not so quick edit: I was thinking about something related to unrealized gains if someone was promised that the sale of Twitter would net them greater profits than keeping the company public but that really only applies if the asset(s) haven’t already been sold. Hoping someone can add something more specific and credible, interesting to think about.
Don’t forget both Tesla and SpaceX ( who are heavily subsided by the American government also) employees was taken from their jobs and working on making more of a mess of Twitter
OP suggests we add legal protections against what Musk is doing and your response is to point out that he’s not doing anything illegal. Thanks man, wise words.
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X gonna give it to ya!
WHAT!
We need laws against business owners that frivolously run their business into the ground and damage others’ without retaining any liability beyond the business’ death.
Isn’t he being sued by Tesla shareholders for literally that?
They have a civil suit against him, but that kind of lawsuit is almost never successful (edit: at pinning liability onto the business owner - I’m saying liability will probably only fall to Twitter and not Musk personally /edit). Twitter is still a limited liability company, and now that it is privately owned its owners are free to run it into the ground - they don’t have an obligation to shareholders.
Private businesses should be free to do this, but this was a publicly traded company turned private, so arguably there should be solid protections in law that make this wrong rather than the only option being a difficult civil lawsuit.
Private companies shouldn’t be able to do that because it still has a negative impact on society. When a company implodes there are employees that have their lives ruined, suppliers that will now have problems of their own, which will lead to more lives ruined.
This view that if you aren’t a shareholder you aren’t an important stakeholder in a company is incredibly damaging to the social fabric.
He was forced to follow through with the sale, the law is what protected Twitter’s board of executives and shareholders from Musk not taking Twitter private.
After the business is private, the owner has no contractual obligation to take actions that benefit the company (unlike a CEO), he probably could have just shut Twitter down right after he bought it if he wanted to.
Idk how many Twitter employees held shares and how many shares they held but the shares were their legal protection against Musk taking Twitter private and running it into the ground.
I agree that we need changes that favor employee protections but it’s a slippery slope as to who exactly is liable. Is it Musk? Twitter’s BoD/shareholders? What exactly are they liable for? [Quick edit] Also, what would the penalties be and who would be the claimants?
Not so quick edit: I was thinking about something related to unrealized gains if someone was promised that the sale of Twitter would net them greater profits than keeping the company public but that really only applies if the asset(s) haven’t already been sold. Hoping someone can add something more specific and credible, interesting to think about.
But Tesla isn’t a private business. It’s a public business that’s traded on the stock exchange. That’s a huge difference from the bird site.
Don’t forget both Tesla and SpaceX ( who are heavily subsided by the American government also) employees was taken from their jobs and working on making more of a mess of Twitter
It’s a private business, Musk can do whatever he wants with the site so long as it isn’t illegal and whoever helped him raise the cash doesn’t mind.
OP suggests we add legal protections against what Musk is doing and your response is to point out that he’s not doing anything illegal. Thanks man, wise words.
Thank you for being needlessly antagonistic, have your reward.
We have it, it’s called “Piercing the corporate veil.” Twitter being a California company should make it easier.
Sueing anti-hate groups will really bring in the advertisers! Another genius move.
Hopefully it’ll get thrown out, seems pretty meritless.
“Their doing hate speech against me! Ironic is it not?”
“Mr. musk, telling you that you’re doing a bad job of managing moderation is not hate speech”
“ WELL I HATED IT!”
CCDH would love for this lawsuit to happen. Discovery would not be favorable to the dead bird site.
https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Letter-to-A.-Spiro-from-R.-Kaplan-re-CCDH.pdf
Now with a clickable link
I never thought a legal letter would be entertaining to read, but that was.