I don’t live in the US, so my ISP doesn’t really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren’t cheap and I’m on a strict budget (wouldn’t pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?
What I’ve learned overtime is high profile things like movie releases will see a nice email from your ISP. Anime relating thing that are under the radar won’t have much trouble. A little risky, but that what I’ve learned on that side.
A VPN is like a costume that makes you look just like some other guy and you need his permission to wear the costume, and he also may know everything that you do in the costume, and may say he’s not keeping track of what you’re doing in the costume but still be lying and later compelled to tell others what you were doing in that costume.
It’s a minor protection, but depending on where your VPN provider is located, it may not even be “minor protection”.
@Alextheacceptable In Germany, there are lawyers specialised on torrents. They collect German IPs from the peers list and mass-sue them over distributing copyrighted material. They always ask for a settlement payment of more than 5000€. It can usually be escaped by taking it to court, but I recommend not going through that.
So, depends on your location. Over here, download one movie without a VPN and you have a shit ton of legal crap coming your way.
Would that really matter, though? Afaik, they could still just… ask your ISP who that IP was assigned to, which is what they’re going to do with IPv4 anyways.
@SolOrion They don’t deal with ISPs outside the country, because they can’t sue them at a German court.
So they need to know it’s a German ISP beforehand so they can request personal information accordingly. But maybe they could still figure it out from IPv6 address ranges… I’m not entirely sure.
I can only give my experience. I live in the US and thought my ISP didn’t care, but when I got nasty letters about me torrenting Rick and Morty, I started using a VPN.
Do you live in a country where the authorities are taking action against torrenting? Yes, you should absolutely be using a VPN, because otherwise you’re presenting your identity on a silver platter.
Do you live in a country where the authorities don’t give a fuck? Then no, a VPN won’t be necessary.
I’ve always seen this as a question of risk. What you’re asking is the digital equivalent to “Do I really need to wear my seatbelt when driving?”
You can drive around your car two hours a day, every day, without a seatbelt, and be fine for years. You can say you live in a calm neighborhood and say no one ever drives recklessly there. Everyone is still going to tell you to always wear your seatbelt.
You can be very careful about what you torrent. You could possibly torrent lots of things with no problems at all. All it takes is one person at one other endpoint grabbing your IP from one torrent and reporting, to cause a lot of problems.
It’s up to you if you want to take that risk, but when you’re asking for advice no one is ever going to tell you that you don’t need one, and if they are they’re probably giving bad advice. There are enough horror stories that many don’t think it’s worth the risk.
I got one of Hetzner’s “used” servers with 60TB of space for $45/mo (they had smaller too, but I’m building hella ratio). Just make sure you encrypt. I also only do private trackers through it, which definitely helps with ISP snooping. If I was going to use public trackers I’d probably still use a VPN or I2P.
I find that most VPNs are so heavily shilled that by that very nature, makes them suspect. Since the days of Napster, WinMX, Bearshare and the like, I’ve gotten exactly 2 “Hey, knock it off” letters from my ISP. And they were both from new-release, mouse-affiliated movie releases from a public tracker.
Get in with some of the private trackers and 99.9% of the worry disappears. Try not to upload terabytes of data, and the majority of ISPs (I mean, two of the 3 that seem to have the monopolies at least) wont even bother sending the notices.
Totally doesn’t take “terabytes of data”. I’m in the US, and one time I got a notice from my ISP (Comcast) for a file that took all of 7 seconds to download. It was an episode of an HBO show so no mouse affiliation, and also pretty sure I was using a private tracker (can’t remember exactly, though, since it’s probably been 10 years, and I’ve been using a VPN ever since).
“pretty sure I was on a private tracker” - well there’s your problem right there. You probably weren’t. Not saying that you’re lying or the like, but just so we’re clear, Im differentiating between “Demonoid private” wherein everybody could create an account damned near whenever, and “UHD private” wherein it relies on a system of invites and/or interviews.
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What I’ve learned overtime is high profile things like movie releases will see a nice email from your ISP. Anime relating thing that are under the radar won’t have much trouble. A little risky, but that what I’ve learned on that side.
Last time i did this, i got a nice email from my isp giving me a warning that they may turn off my internet.
A VPN is not necessary for torrent usage.
But if you live in a country that enforces copy right etc online, it’s highly recommended, as a VPN will make it almost impossible to track you down.
A VPN is like a costume. You don’t need to wear one to do something illegal, but wearing one will make it much harder for authorities to identify you.
A VPN is like a costume that makes you look just like some other guy and you need his permission to wear the costume, and he also may know everything that you do in the costume, and may say he’s not keeping track of what you’re doing in the costume but still be lying and later compelled to tell others what you were doing in that costume.
It’s a minor protection, but depending on where your VPN provider is located, it may not even be “minor protection”.
@Alextheacceptable In Germany, there are lawyers specialised on torrents. They collect German IPs from the peers list and mass-sue them over distributing copyrighted material. They always ask for a settlement payment of more than 5000€. It can usually be escaped by taking it to court, but I recommend not going through that.
So, depends on your location. Over here, download one movie without a VPN and you have a shit ton of legal crap coming your way.
Makes me think… if you exclusively use IPv6 you might be fine because they can’t geolocate you that easily 🤔
Would that really matter, though? Afaik, they could still just… ask your ISP who that IP was assigned to, which is what they’re going to do with IPv4 anyways.
@SolOrion They don’t deal with ISPs outside the country, because they can’t sue them at a German court.
So they need to know it’s a German ISP beforehand so they can request personal information accordingly. But maybe they could still figure it out from IPv6 address ranges… I’m not entirely sure.
Yes you can do that easiely with a ripe whois query. And they definitely do.
I can only give my experience. I live in the US and thought my ISP didn’t care, but when I got nasty letters about me torrenting Rick and Morty, I started using a VPN.
They don’t seem to care, but they collect data. So they don’t seem to care NOW. Always use a non-logging VPN.
Do you live in a country where the authorities are taking action against torrenting? Yes, you should absolutely be using a VPN, because otherwise you’re presenting your identity on a silver platter.
Do you live in a country where the authorities don’t give a fuck? Then no, a VPN won’t be necessary.
I live in 3rd world country where the government doesn’t care much about torrent/piracy too. So far there’s no problem.
I guess it depends more on the country you live. If nobody is using VPN, you will probably be fine.
yay living in a 3rd world country has its benefits!
If your ISP doesn’t care then you are good.
worst that can happen is your ISP sends you a letter to stop, then get a VPN.
I’ve always seen this as a question of risk. What you’re asking is the digital equivalent to “Do I really need to wear my seatbelt when driving?”
You can drive around your car two hours a day, every day, without a seatbelt, and be fine for years. You can say you live in a calm neighborhood and say no one ever drives recklessly there. Everyone is still going to tell you to always wear your seatbelt.
You can be very careful about what you torrent. You could possibly torrent lots of things with no problems at all. All it takes is one person at one other endpoint grabbing your IP from one torrent and reporting, to cause a lot of problems.
It’s up to you if you want to take that risk, but when you’re asking for advice no one is ever going to tell you that you don’t need one, and if they are they’re probably giving bad advice. There are enough horror stories that many don’t think it’s worth the risk.
I’m on a bicycle and am wearing a helmet though
You should probably wear a condom too, just to be extra safe, then.
How else would I use them anyway xD
Why not get a seedbox? Most come with Plex and Jellyfin so you can stream the content of the seedbox. Also they generally provide VPNs.
What’s a good seedbox provider these days? I had one over ten years ago, but I don’t even remember what that company was called.
I got one of Hetzner’s “used” servers with 60TB of space for $45/mo (they had smaller too, but I’m building hella ratio). Just make sure you encrypt. I also only do private trackers through it, which definitely helps with ISP snooping. If I was going to use public trackers I’d probably still use a VPN or I2P.
If you live in third world country then you definitely don’t need one.
I find that most VPNs are so heavily shilled that by that very nature, makes them suspect. Since the days of Napster, WinMX, Bearshare and the like, I’ve gotten exactly 2 “Hey, knock it off” letters from my ISP. And they were both from new-release, mouse-affiliated movie releases from a public tracker.
Get in with some of the private trackers and 99.9% of the worry disappears. Try not to upload terabytes of data, and the majority of ISPs (I mean, two of the 3 that seem to have the monopolies at least) wont even bother sending the notices.
Totally doesn’t take “terabytes of data”. I’m in the US, and one time I got a notice from my ISP (Comcast) for a file that took all of 7 seconds to download. It was an episode of an HBO show so no mouse affiliation, and also pretty sure I was using a private tracker (can’t remember exactly, though, since it’s probably been 10 years, and I’ve been using a VPN ever since).
“pretty sure I was on a private tracker” - well there’s your problem right there. You probably weren’t. Not saying that you’re lying or the like, but just so we’re clear, Im differentiating between “Demonoid private” wherein everybody could create an account damned near whenever, and “UHD private” wherein it relies on a system of invites and/or interviews.
Hell I got one from a 90’s tv show, they are in torrents where you least expect them
Personally I just have a Real-Debrid sub for like 3 euros a month and do any torrenting via them.
Also useful for streaming just about anything in Kodi, and for downloading from file hosts
Can you use real debrid to automatically grab torrents from a private tracker (maybe through autobrr)?
This wont be good for your ratio.
Sorry, do you mean using it in place of BitTorrent wouldn’t be good? Does it not seed back?