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You’re not an admin so of course you don’t care. How come every admin in this thread has expressed their concern? Because it IS a concern. :)


When did I say it was new? Maybe I’m reminding people about this issue from months ago and that it needs more attention? Maybe I want admins to know about the issue so they can do something about it?



Again, you are assuming everything is based on American law. What is up with people always thinking that American laws apply everywhere in the world?

“Do you plan to plant evidence and then call the authorities?” No but be very careful about statements like this.

In the end, you admitted that this is a concern anyway. Congrats. Can’t believe it took so much to hammer it into your head.



Who are these people that are smarter than us? Do you know them? What are their qualifications?

Did you not consider that not everyone is subject to American law and that there are other nations who have different laws? Did you not consider how diverse the Lemmy instances are and most do not fall under American law?

How come that every Lemmy admin who replied to this post expressed their concern regarding this issue? Explain to me why admins like sunasaurus and db0 are working on tools and solutions to address this problem if, according to you, this is not a concern.

Are you REALLY SURE that this is NOT a concern?


Imagine if the image link is shared to other people and you aren’t aware of it. You think that’s acceptable?


So you’re telling me you’re NOT bothered if CSAM was sitting on your server and shared with others without your knowledge? Do you think all countries have the same laws? You don’t think any of this is an issue?


You’re not concerned because you’re not an admin. Of course you only bothered to check my account profile and not the actual post. If the issue I stated above doesn’t bother you, then it’s only a matter of time until people start seriously abusing it. Or who knows, somebody already is and we just aren’t aware of it yet.


Good. It’s better that way until the issues are resolved.


Because there’s already an issue dated July 6: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3504

Like I said, people already know about this months ago.


Doesn’t change the fact that this issue needs to be addressed. Besides, do you think all countries laws are the same?



https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/08ff5623-e553-4d00-a6e2-e9fb6798a972.webp

Here is another test ^ I use a different instance to better illustrate the point because it’s easy to upload images in comments. Nobody in shitjustworks will see this picture in their instance so nobody can report this picture.

This picture is just Salvadaor Dali by the way.



I’ve mentioned this before to a similar reply. But I’ll say it again: this was already publicly known months ago. People just forgot about it because they didn’t think it was a big deal. Now that they realize CSAM is a real issue, I made this post to remind everyone about it again. Bad actors already know about this and really, it isn’t hard to figure out how this work.


Thank you. I did not see this one but it’s almost two months old now. This is what I was talking about when I said that it was already a known issue back then. it just isn’t being addressed. I hope this post will give more attention to this problem.



“Quietly delete the images periodically”. If only it was made easier for admins. You can’t even report these images because nobody knows it was there in the first place.


Doesn’t change the fact that this is an issue that needs to be resolved.


Most admins aren’t in the USA. But that’s not really the issue here is it?



This has been known forever. Any bad actor already knows about this. There’s no reason to hide this. I am reminding people so solutions can be solved sooner. I will keep reminding until the problem is solved.


I’m not on GitHub. Someone else can submit it this and I’m very sure the Lemmy devs are aware. They just have different priorities.



I’m not knowledgeable with SQL. If you know or if anyone knows how to fix it with a script or built into Lemmy, please share.


Except admins need to go through the database to catch it. Mods can’t catch it. Admins without access to the database or object storage can’t catch it.



PSA: You can upload images to a Lemmy instance without anyone knowing
**EDIT** **TO EVERYONE ASKING TO OPEN AN ISSUE ON GITHUB, IT HAS BEEN OPEN SINCE JULY 6**: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3504 June 24 - https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3236 **TO EVERYONE SAYING THAT THIS IS NOT A CONCERN**: Everybody has different laws in their countries (in other words, not everyone is American), and whether or not an admin is liable for such content residing in their servers without their knowledge, don't you think it's still an issue anyway? Are you not bothered by the fact that somebody could be sharing illegal images from your server without you ever knowing? Is that okay with you? OR are you only saying this because you're NOT an admin? Different admins have already responded in the comments and have suggested ways to solve the problem because they are genuinely concerned about this problem as much as I am. Thank you to all the hard working admins. I appreciate and love you all. --- **ORIGINAL POST** cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/4273025 > You can upload images to a Lemmy instance without anyone knowing that the image is there if the admins are not regularly checking their pictrs database. > > To do this, you create a post on any Lemmy instance, upload an image, and never click the "Create" button. The post is never created but the image is uploaded. Because the post isn't created, nobody knows that the image is uploaded. > > You can also go to any post, upload a picture in the comment, copy the URL and never post the comment. You can also upload an image as your avatar or banner and just close the tab. The image will still reside in the server. > > You can (possibly) do the same with community icons and banners. > > **Why does this matter?** > > Because anyone can upload illegal images without the admin knowing and the admin will be liable for it. With everything that has been going on lately, I wanted to remind all of you about this. Don't think that disabling cache is enough. Bad actors can secretly stash illegal images on your Lemmy instance if you aren't checking! > > These bad actors can then share these links around and you would never know! They can report it to the FBI and if you haven't taken it down (because you did not know) for a certain period, say goodbye to your instance and see you in court. > > Only your backend admins who have access to the database (or object storage or whatever) can check this, meaning non-backend admins and moderators WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MONITOR THESE, and regular users WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REPORT THESE. > > **Aren't these images deleted if they aren't used for the post/comment/banner/avatar/icon?** > > NOPE! The image actually stays uploaded! Lemmy doesn't check if the images are used! Try it out yourself. Just make sure to copy the link by copying the link text or copying it by clicking the image then "copy image link". > > **How come this hasn't been addressed before?** > > I don't know. I am fairly certain that this has been brought up before. Nobody paid attention but I'm bringing it up again after all the shit that happened in the past week. I can't even find it on the GitHub issue tracker. > > **I'm an instance administrator, what the fuck do I do?** > > Check your pictrs images (good luck) or nuke it. Disable pictrs, restrict sign ups, or watch your database like a hawk. You can also delete your instance. > > Good luck.
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