Good luck with that

I mean you can do a significant amount by making it illegal to offer it on the open web, which might be the way to go, but creating awesome things that can be had once you go outside the law actually carries its own little long-term consequences

I’ve been a teenage boy before and I did some bone-headed things. Maybe not this bad, but still, I agree with the judge in this instance that it would be inappropriate to impose permanent consequences on these kids before their life even gets started because they were stupid, horny, teenage boys.

Completely agree with 100% of this

I’m just saying that I think the answer lies somewhere between “take some classes and promise not to do it again” and “adult prison”. They imposed significant harm to another human being, in a way that’s so significant that we all agreed it should be illegal. Yes, I know that probably wasn’t the intent on their part. But this kind of “oh but I just got horny and just kind of didn’t care / wasn’t focused on what the impact was” is not a thing you wanna teach them there’s some wiggle room with as long as they make sure to apologize about it after.

Community service? Home arrest? Juvenile detention for 21 days? Fuckin something? I’m not saying put them in the hole.

I don’t think those are additions, I think those are the punishments for those charges, in full. I could be wrong but that’s how I read it.

In addition to probation, the teens will also be required to attend classes on gender and equality, as well as on the “responsible use of information and communication technologies,”

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What?

Have you not interacted with teenage boys?

I can think of not much more of a better way to teach them there are no consequences and they can keep doing this as long as they smirk and say they’re sorry whenever they get caught

You’re the only one talking sense and you are sitting here with your 2 upvotes

The AI company business model is 100% unsustainable. It’s hard to say when they will get sick of hemorrhaging money by giving away this stuff more or less for free, but it might be soon. That’s totally separate from any legal issues that might come up. If you care about this stuff, learning about doing it locally and having a self hosted solution in place might not be a bad idea.

But upgrading anything aside from your GPU+VRAM is a pure and unfettered waste of money in that endeavor.

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And with a tiny minority of exceptions in the world, no one gives a shit

I used to periodically imagine that it would be funny when talking with one of these people to just out of nowhere tackle them and take their wallet

I never did it and I don’t think I would even if the situation somehow presented itself, but I do think it would be wonderful if someone would. Like bro… you just said that this was okay. How can you possibly be upset about this outcome.

I don’t know why this is so predictive as a general rule, but it seems like most militaries that make it their business to kill women and children and generally attack the innocent, are absolute dogshit when it comes to engaging with even moderately capable armed opponents.

That the I”D”F is this totally fucking useless and disorganized when faced with the task which is supposedly its mission kinda throws it into sharp relief what is its actual mission

You’re going to think I am joking but I am not. Multiple people have sworn to me that this works for a common failure mode of HDD drives and I’ve literally never heard someone say they tried it and it failed. I’ve never tried it. Buyer beware. Don’t blame me if you fuck up your drive / your computer it’s connected to / anything else even worse by doing this:

1. Stick it in the freezer for a short while.
2. Take it out.
3. Boot it up.
4. If it works, get all the data off it as quick as you can.

I hadn’t fully been aware of the changeover, but yeah I saw season 7 and it was definitely more coherent and solid and less wandery and desperate than some of the middle seasons, absolutely there was an uptick in quality to me yes

It became associated with aggressive internet shutins bleating about Pickle Rick and the szechuan sauce, although it’s hard to tell where exactly the line was between “these guys are losers yelling and being obnoxious at McDonalds,” and “stop cyberbullying we’re all just internet weirdos who like a funny cartoon and that is fine.” And then, Justin Roiland had some kind of sex abuse allegations and the worm turned and the world is officially supposed to hate Rick and Morty now, I think.

I mean, allegedly. I’m with you; some of it is still some great funny shit.

Please no let’s not start this

I know it’s officially not cool to like Rick and Morty anymore, but I cannot read a description of a suspicious bad thing called “Project Nimbus” that Google is getting itself involved in, without picturing a weird creepy sexual supervillain riding a giant seashell into a meeting with their executives

Appears 😂

I have a private theory, for which I have absolutely 0 evidence, that the forces of the establishment have some way of sneaking stupid unpopular things or phrases into the left’s discourse which the left then seizes and runs with, much to the establishments’s delight. E.g. renaming the Green Party the Green-Rainbow Party, climate activists attacking famous artworks, things like that.

I have 0 evidence for this, as applied to “defund the police” or anything else. Actually I sort of suspect that “defund the police” was an original creation of the ACAB contingent which meant exactly what it sounds like, that got retconned by more sensible but still reform-minded people into meaning “more properly fund everything else” for exactly the reasons we’re discussing. But as a general rule I suspect (again, with 0 evidence) that some of what you’re talking about actually comes from deliberate sabotage.

The cartoon is excellent but yes the problem is that the phrasing doesn’t match the reality. “Fund the nonpolice” isn’t catchy though.

Honestly, just properly funding anything that is designed to do benevolent things for the community as a whole is a tough sell with way too many US community politicians

Yeah. That part makes perfect sense to me. It’s a little different from what you were saying, but someone on Lemmy was actually telling me about their experience with someplace where something like this had been implemented – mental health people going on certain calls instead of cops, with cops assisting in cases that might turn violent, and it sounds like it works out great from all people involved’s perspective. The callers are happier because people come who are better at handling the problems, the cops are happier because they don’t have to deal with calls they are less qualified to deal with, the mental health people are happier because they have cops on standby for violent calls but they also get to deal with things right from the jump, instead of coming in after the cops came and just tackled and cuffed the person or whatever and now they have to come into the middle of the wreckage.

I know you were talking about things at an even much earlier level than when the 911 call happens; that sounds good to me too. The only part I was objecting to was the vindictive framing of it. Like if you want to fund mental health and homeless services that sounds great, we should do that. Coupling that idea up with punishing the police because they were bad (not saying you’re doing that, but definitely some people have that in mind saying “defund the police” I think) I don’t think is the way to produce progress though.

Yeah. The frustrating thing is that the blanket “defund the police” attitude actually makes the problem of department-hopping bad cops, or tolerance for bad behavior by cops, worse a lot of the time, by starving departments of resources which makes it harder to hire as many cops as they need which makes them more desperate for employees and makes it harder to be selective about who they employ.

100% agree with this

I should make clear I am not an ACAB person by any means. The whole mentality that the police are automatically the enemy makes just as little sense to me as that the police are never the enemy.

But no one in the world should simply have unaccountable power. Body cams, judicial oversight, warrants, charges when they abuse their power, get rid of police unions or anything else that makes it difficult for a department to fire an officer who they feel is causing problems. Just like some percentage of non police people do bad stuff and we need a system to watch them and try to protect everyone else from them, we need it 10 times more for police people.

Yeah, I mean glimpse seems fine; in general it seems completely fine if someone says “hey I think this is a problem for some percent of people who have weird priorities in life because they are corporate or weird thinking, I support the idea to solve it and make a friendly name for them”

It’s just that if the response is “yeah that percent of people are not our problem, we just want to make this project and we did, thank you and good day”, then you need to be able to say “ok I will make the fork to fix it then” instead of writing up a big blog post demanding that they need to obey you on what your opinion of the priorities for their own project should be.

Surely anyone who feels that it’s an urgent problem can make a fork which is fully identical in every way except for the logo and name and branding

Since the amount of effort that would be required for that would be infinitesimal compared to what was already done to make the software

And then produce all these good things which you say are being held back

Or, wait, did you mean you wanted someone else to do that because you feel that it’s super important enough to insist that someone else should do it but not important enough to do yourself?

Extremely true - but even that aside, if it really was as long ago as 70 years, it wouldn’t be the pressing ongoing issue that it is.

There are Palestinians who lost their homes forever, and Israelis who ignored the UN telling them stop breaking international law, this week and last week and the week before that.

Let the problem fester for 70 years until Israel gets tired of their shit and “solves” the problem their own way. Which is how we got here.

See this is the kind of thing you only ever hear from the “stronger” party in the situation, when their “solution” is some kind of rampant injustice.

Like if the US lost patience with Israel’s current government, and got a coalition together, landed UN troops in the West Bank with the support of the whole rest of the world to deport all the settlers back inside the 1993 borders (summarily executing any of them that tried to resist the deportation, and just leaving them dead in the street), and hauled away Netanyahu and half his cabinet to the Hague to stand trial (alongside, yes, Hamas leadership who’s guilty of much more numerically minor atrocities), you would never accept that that’s justified because they’re “solving the problem.” Even though that’s a lot milder and more measured than what Israel is currently doing to “solve” – i.e. just carpet-bombing the country and causing a man-made catastrophe of famine destruction that’s killing innocent people on an industrial scale.

Any violence Hamas has done to innocent Israelis, the IDF has done to innocent Palestinians ten times over.

Is that before or after war was declared? I would expect peacetime and wartime numbers to be different, and separated.

This is a really good question. Here’s a comparison showing injuries alongside deaths, here’s a comprehensive breakdown of deaths up until the beginning of the current “war,” and here’s a breakdown for the current conflict itself.

But, hey, I’ve already acknowledged that it’s a shitty solution, and we’re a couple of intelligent people, so instead of “finding some people” for this solution, which is what we’ve been doing for the past 70 years, let’s just talk about what the solution should be. What’s really the solution here?

Peace talks? How many are we up to now? I’ve lost count.

Getting rid of Hamas? How do we do that? Why isn’t Palestine themselves capable of getting rid of Hamas? After all, they claim to be the owners of the Gaza Strip, so what the fuck are they doing about it? It’s been 70 years. How long do we have to wait?

What else? You’ve been talking about this “realistic path for peace”, right? What’s that path look like?

Honestly, in my mind, it has to start with the US stopping providing cover for Israel at the UN. I don’t think anyone would say that Hamas should be able to kill innocent people and anyone should let it slide – so when Israel kills innocent people or breaks international law in some other way, it shouldn’t just be let to slide either. Let the UN enact actual solutions, then – sanctions, military action, legal action against leaders who commit war crimes. Both sides are killing innocents, though not in equal numbers. One, that has to stop, and then two, we have to try to address the root causes that are leading to the killing, and come up with something that is livable.

Ben-Gurion actually touched on this exact point, as far as root causes:

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

I don’t know the percentage.

You sounded like you were saying that Palestinian grievances were reaching back 70 years ago. My point was that there are large numbers of Palestinians who have much more recent grievances than 70 years – like dead relatives of all ages, or lost homes, within their lifetime. What percent of them have that, I have no idea, and I’m genuinely curious what you think the percentage is. But honestly the point wasn’t needing to dig up an exact number, 4% or 20% or 50% or whatever. Any of those is too many, and you seem to define Palestinian retribution for it as “terrorism” while Israeli retribution is defined as “defense.”

What percentage of Palestinians currently don’t live in the family home they were born / grew up in, because the place they grew up in has been destroyed or taken by the Israelis during their lifetime? I mean obviously for Gaza, the percentage is pretty near 100% at this point, but I’m curious what you think the number is for all Palestinians put together.

And yes, it does have the right to defend itself. Perhaps they should send their armies into Gaza Strip to defend their country

I… what? March them across the intervening Israeli territory, so they can engage with the IDF once they arrive in the Gaza strip? Something tells me that wouldn’t be the totally logical and good successful step you seem to be suggesting it would be.

So… getting away from the back and forth, I have a feeling that the underlying thing you’re saying, that Hamas is a violent terroristic organization and they shouldn’t have killed or raped all those people at the music festival, I agree with completely. Where it breaks down for me is:

1. Likud has been helping Hamas defeat their less-violent domestic opposition, and elevating the most violent and unreasonable element in Palestinian politics, for years now. Which kinda makes it weird for them to all of a sudden get upset that the Palestinians are acting violent and unreasonable. It’s like picking the worst and most dangerous dog to take home to your family, then torturing it on purpose because it’s a “bad dog,” and then blaming someone else when it mauls one of your children, and saying everyone needs to put you in charge and never question you so you can protect everyone against these dogs and keep torturing the dogs. To me, that shit means you should never be in charge of anything again and should maybe be brought up on charges both for what happened to the dog and what happened to your kid.
2. Any violence Hamas has done to innocent Israelis, the IDF has done to innocent Palestinians ten times over.

To me, no one should get raped at the music festival and no one should watch their children starve. Both of those seem like straightforward things to believe. Anyone on either side who’s for a realistic path for peace is the the ally, and anyone on either side who’s justifying atrocities is the enemy (as you seemed to do for deliberately starving children – saying that it happens by accident sometimes, as a way of excusing Israel doing it on purpose, is deliberately missing the point of what I was saying I think.)

I think Hamas leadership and Likud are both guilty of perpetuating the conflict and killing the innocent, and a good solution would be to get the lot of them out of government, bring them up on charges, and find some people whose solution to “they did an atrocity to us” is something other than “Let’s do an atrocity to them*! It is justified and will totally fix things because it’ll show them not to do that again.”

(* “them” being very loosely defined and including a whole bunch of innocent people)

Israel absolutely gets to say it has the right to defend itself.

Quick question, does Palestine get to say it has the right to defend itself?

Follow-up, is starving Palestinian children part of what you would claim is Israel defending itself? Or is that something Israel doesn’t have a right to do?

Yeah. They “encroached” on 77% of Palestinian land in 1947.

Since then, they’ve steadily encroached on 56% of what was left.

Now they’re encroaching on 32% of Gaza, which is 4% of the 56% of the 77%. The Palestinians are going from owning the least usable 10.1% of all the land they used to own, to now a 9.7% share. So what’s the big deal? Doesn’t sound like that much.

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Lmao, so on the same day that I said this, this comment of mine got 7 downvotes in a space of 2 minutes, 5 hours after I posted it, from a variety of accounts each with one- or two-word nonsense names with the first letters capitalized, perfectly evenly spread out among exactly 7 instances.

I’m honestly a little bit surprised that the actual real lemmy.ml users can’t manage to muster up enough natural downvotes to overcome me coming in and disagreeing with them, but somebody got salty enough about my comment to feel like it needed a bunch of fake downvotes. Hello @Alsephina@lemmy.ml – were those you? You posted your comment 3 minutes before the 7 fake downvotes came in. I think you need to be more subtle with your fake voting if you want people not to notice. Federated votes are not private.

(I actually don’t think that’s any kind of propaganda-bot operation; I don’t think the propaganda bots are that un-subtle, if they are actually doing any kind of fake voting. But who knows.)

(Oh, also he seems to have replied to himself from one of the fake-voting accounts, agreeing with himself about how wrong I was 😃)

I did some somewhat extensive investigation of voting on some propaganda-bot-adjacent posts, because I suspected they were doing some fake voting… I saw some suspicious stuff but nothing really all that incriminating. I didn’t spend too much time on it though.

Is there one of these stories with a ton of downvotes that you’d like me to look into? I looked at a couple of the big ones about the Trump verdict that dropped off the page just now, and they actually only had a few downvotes each, which kind of rules out that theory.

We gotta break the seal. It has to be jail. He tried to kill the vice president, he stole classified documents and got dozens of CIA assets killed, he explicitly sides with the enemies of the US and against the American people. He wants to shoot protestors and have the military seize the voting machines.

I understand the reluctance. This particular thing, as weird as it is, wasn’t actually all that bad. But you gotta break the seal. It’s like when you’re leaving an abusive partner; the idea of really pulling the trigger is terrifying, because what’s gonna happen? And there’s no going back. But we have to.

I think new posts just cycle off the main page pretty quickly (I actually like it being that way.) It seems unlikely that Lemmy admins would conspire to get rid of news about Trump – you can try top last 24 hours to see if they’re actually gone or something.

Also:

Sentencing is on July 11th

The Republican National Convention is July 15th

Honestly, it scares me. That’d be great timing for them to go full Beer Hall Putsch mode.

Goes well right alongside “bribing politicians is free speech” and “peace rallies are terrorism”

I was very very lucky in terms of getting a good education (both from my parents and from the schools I went to), and it was absolutely shocking to me when I first started doing political arguments with some people I’d known for quite a while and realized they had no idea how to think for themselves.

Like even the basics of, if source X says one thing and then later on in the same article says some incompatible thing, then that source is not the truth. Never mind about even comparing one day’s statements to the next day’s, or against real science or anything like that.

They just go with who’s real confident and forceful in their presentation and sounds like they have firm authority over what’s going on, and then they go all-in on believing whatever crazy shit that changes day to day that that person is saying. Like I say it was real shocking (and also, how if I tried to break down inconsistencies with what their source was saying, they’d just get confused and upset and disoriented, and ultimately reject what I was saying.)

Absolutely true. The propaganda that says “Everyone in government is crusty old white men and all equally the problem, it’s not worth even trying to improve things, just be unproductively bitter and angry instead, while we’re taking all your stuff”

Is very much of a piece with the propaganda says “All the poors and immigrants are the problem, it’s not old white men in government, just be unproductively bitter and angry instead, while we’re taking all your stuff.” The target audience is just different.

And you know what? They both work real real fuckin’ well. See, look all the problems.

Why isn’t it your job to do something? The conservatives certainly consider it the rank and file’s job to get involved in changing the system to the way they want it to be; that’s part of why they’re having such an outsized impact.

Ask GPT to rewrite your configuration, check over it with diff to make sure it didn’t do something dumb, bingo bango

Back when Substack was getting grief for letting Nazis on, a bunch of people told me that making dangerous extremism illegal was absolutely the right thing to do and necessary, and a bunch of them asserted that Nazi speech was already forbidden on some level in the US.

I told them that any legal restrictions on speech will instantly be used, vigorously, against what the people in power think is “dangerous extremism,” and not with objective fairness against the stuff that’s actually dangerous extremism, and so it’s a bad idea to have those restrictions.

Every single one of them lectured me confidently about how that’s not how it works and I was wrong.

Do you have numbers for this? Like what’s the inflation number for one of those nonessential goods? Because I suspect you literally just made all of this up as a way of saying, okay sure inflation dropped last year and low-income wages are way up but here’s why none of that counts. Although, I’m open to being proved wrong.