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Donald Trump has been convicted on all 34 counts of falsifying business records.
Trump, who was indicted in connection with a hush money payment made to an adult-film actress ahead of the 2016 presidential election, is the first former president convicted of a crime.
Yeah… There’s a lot of people complaining about politicizing the legal system tonight, and those same people said nothing when Trump’s most popular campaign promise was to put his political rival in jail.
What happened to all of the posts reporting on this? Two hours ago the frontpage was top to bottom guilty verdict posts and now this is the only one in any sorting method (including by comments). It suggests they were removed.
Am I the only one seeing this? Did individual instances manually remove them?
I think new posts just cycle off the main page pretty quickly (I actually like it being that way.) It seems unlikely that Lemmy admins would conspire to get rid of news about Trump – you can try top last 24 hours to see if they’re actually gone or something.
Yes, very strange. Normally “Hot” sorting is good but doesn’t cycle quite that fast for me. Sorting by comments (because a LOT of them had comments) would have returned them, and toggling different sorting methods didn’t return most of them, just the occasional one. Top-Day was the sorting that returned them.
I did some somewhat extensive investigation of voting on some propaganda-bot-adjacent posts, because I suspected they were doing some fake voting… I saw some suspicious stuff but nothing really all that incriminating. I didn’t spend too much time on it though.
Is there one of these stories with a ton of downvotes that you’d like me to look into? I looked at a couple of the big ones about the Trump verdict that dropped off the page just now, and they actually only had a few downvotes each, which kind of rules out that theory.
Yeah that’s roughly what I’ve seen too. Some suspicious downvotes but nothing obvious. That’s why I said I don’t think that’s how they usually operate.
It’s strange though, it’s major international news and I saw two posts about it on Lemmy in over an hour of scrolling.
Lmao, so on the same day that I said this, this comment of mine got 7 downvotes in a space of 2 minutes, 5 hours after I posted it, from a variety of accounts each with one- or two-word nonsense names with the first letters capitalized, perfectly evenly spread out among exactly 7 instances.
I’m honestly a little bit surprised that the actual real lemmy.ml users can’t manage to muster up enough natural downvotes to overcome me coming in and disagreeing with them, but somebody got salty enough about my comment to feel like it needed a bunch of fake downvotes. Hello @Alsephina@lemmy.ml – were those you? You posted your comment 3 minutes before the 7 fake downvotes came in. I think you need to be more subtle with your fake voting if you want people not to notice. Federated votes are not private.
(I actually don’t think that’s any kind of propaganda-bot operation; I don’t think the propaganda bots are that un-subtle, if they are actually doing any kind of fake voting. But who knows.)
(Oh, also he seems to have replied to himself from one of the fake-voting accounts, agreeing with himself about how wrong I was 😃)
Yeah looks like it they decided to suppress your good analysis. I had a bunch of lemmy.ml accounts follow me around and downvote everything I posted on an old account. They weren’t subtle that time either.
Anyway, now I’ve got you tagged too. “Too legit to quit”, see ya around Lemmytopia.
As a non-american, is this really a big deal? It doesn’t disqualify him from going for presidency and it’s possible that he doesn’t serve any time at all due to his old age and no criminal record, as the article suggests.
Maybe it’s my doomerism at play, but even one year house arrest I’d be OK with. Keep him in NY in his Trump Tower penthouse. Don’t let him go out to campaign.
Obviously jail would be better. I just don’t think fines alone are going to cut it. He’s not going to pay them.
We gotta break the seal. It has to be jail. He tried to kill the vice president, he stole classified documents and got dozens of CIA assets killed, he explicitly sides with the enemies of the US and against the American people. He wants to shoot protestors and have the military seize the voting machines.
I understand the reluctance. This particular thing, as weird as it is, wasn’t actually all that bad. But you gotta break the seal. It’s like when you’re leaving an abusive partner; the idea of really pulling the trigger is terrifying, because what’s gonna happen? And there’s no going back. But we have to.
I sincerely hope he spends the next month until sentencing shitting bricks stressed out.
He’s done so much awful shit that nobody remembers the entirety of it from trans people, to Chinese people (China flu) and even the adoption of renewables.
He’s fucked over everyone including many of his own employees.
It was a step back 40 years. Now with him gone, assholes won’t be emboldened as much
I think that it’s actually a good thing. If a criminal record disqualified you, it could be easy to cook up bogus charges against a political opponent just to kick them off the ballot. We also have along history in the USA of black folks getting charged with crimes at a disproportionately high rate.
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Donald Trump has been convicted on all 34 counts of falsifying business records.
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Convicted Felon Donald Trump. Let us hope that his downfall is nigh.
Also:
Sentencing is on July 11th
The Republican National Convention is July 15th
Honestly, it scares me. That’d be great timing for them to go full Beer Hall Putsch mode.
They’ll do that anyways tho
The first domino has fallen.
“and then they said ‘lock her up!’” - hillary clinton having a martini and laughing somewhere, probably
Yeah… There’s a lot of people complaining about politicizing the legal system tonight, and those same people said nothing when Trump’s most popular campaign promise was to put his political rival in jail.
What happened to all of the posts reporting on this? Two hours ago the frontpage was top to bottom guilty verdict posts and now this is the only one in any sorting method (including by comments). It suggests they were removed.
Am I the only one seeing this? Did individual instances manually remove them?
I think new posts just cycle off the main page pretty quickly (I actually like it being that way.) It seems unlikely that Lemmy admins would conspire to get rid of news about Trump – you can try top last 24 hours to see if they’re actually gone or something.
Yes, very strange. Normally “Hot” sorting is good but doesn’t cycle quite that fast for me. Sorting by comments (because a LOT of them had comments) would have returned them, and toggling different sorting methods didn’t return most of them, just the occasional one. Top-Day was the sorting that returned them.
I noticed the same thing. Maybe it’s Kremlin accounts downvoting them, although I don’t think that’s how they usually operate.
I did some somewhat extensive investigation of voting on some propaganda-bot-adjacent posts, because I suspected they were doing some fake voting… I saw some suspicious stuff but nothing really all that incriminating. I didn’t spend too much time on it though.
Is there one of these stories with a ton of downvotes that you’d like me to look into? I looked at a couple of the big ones about the Trump verdict that dropped off the page just now, and they actually only had a few downvotes each, which kind of rules out that theory.
Yeah that’s roughly what I’ve seen too. Some suspicious downvotes but nothing obvious. That’s why I said I don’t think that’s how they usually operate.
It’s strange though, it’s major international news and I saw two posts about it on Lemmy in over an hour of scrolling.
Lmao, so on the same day that I said this, this comment of mine got 7 downvotes in a space of 2 minutes, 5 hours after I posted it, from a variety of accounts each with one- or two-word nonsense names with the first letters capitalized, perfectly evenly spread out among exactly 7 instances.
I’m honestly a little bit surprised that the actual real lemmy.ml users can’t manage to muster up enough natural downvotes to overcome me coming in and disagreeing with them, but somebody got salty enough about my comment to feel like it needed a bunch of fake downvotes. Hello @Alsephina@lemmy.ml – were those you? You posted your comment 3 minutes before the 7 fake downvotes came in. I think you need to be more subtle with your fake voting if you want people not to notice. Federated votes are not private.
(I actually don’t think that’s any kind of propaganda-bot operation; I don’t think the propaganda bots are that un-subtle, if they are actually doing any kind of fake voting. But who knows.)
(Oh, also he seems to have replied to himself from one of the fake-voting accounts, agreeing with himself about how wrong I was 😃)
Yeah looks like it they decided to suppress your good analysis. I had a bunch of lemmy.ml accounts follow me around and downvote everything I posted on an old account. They weren’t subtle that time either.
Anyway, now I’ve got you tagged too. “Too legit to quit”, see ya around Lemmytopia.
As a non-american, is this really a big deal? It doesn’t disqualify him from going for presidency and it’s possible that he doesn’t serve any time at all due to his old age and no criminal record, as the article suggests.
The things you mention. And more importantly the fact that crimes like this rarely involve jail on a first offence.
I’m hoping for 1 year in jail
Maybe it’s my doomerism at play, but even one year house arrest I’d be OK with. Keep him in NY in his Trump Tower penthouse. Don’t let him go out to campaign.
Obviously jail would be better. I just don’t think fines alone are going to cut it. He’s not going to pay them.
We gotta break the seal. It has to be jail. He tried to kill the vice president, he stole classified documents and got dozens of CIA assets killed, he explicitly sides with the enemies of the US and against the American people. He wants to shoot protestors and have the military seize the voting machines.
I understand the reluctance. This particular thing, as weird as it is, wasn’t actually all that bad. But you gotta break the seal. It’s like when you’re leaving an abusive partner; the idea of really pulling the trigger is terrifying, because what’s gonna happen? And there’s no going back. But we have to.
The un popular note here is that it’s super uncommon for them to give prison to a first time convicted in a class E crime that this falls under.
So the likelihood of prison is low, and if it does happen it will be against the norm.
Held in contempt 10 times
Here in Australia, really looking forward to this
I sincerely hope he spends the next month until sentencing shitting bricks stressed out.
He’s done so much awful shit that nobody remembers the entirety of it from trans people, to Chinese people (China flu) and even the adoption of renewables.
He’s fucked over everyone including many of his own employees.
It was a step back 40 years. Now with him gone, assholes won’t be emboldened as much
I was shocked to find out that all his crimes apparently don’t disqualify him from running for/being president again. Like what?
You would think there would be like… some laws or something.
Why shocked? This is America we’re talking about. I’d be shocked if he actually gets punished at all.
I heard that it’s a mechanism to prevent the ruling president from just locking up every competitor and win the next election by default.
I mean it should disqualify him, for all intents and purposes, if we actually had a media that did its job and a non-corrupt Republican Party though.
I think that it’s actually a good thing. If a criminal record disqualified you, it could be easy to cook up bogus charges against a political opponent just to kick them off the ballot. We also have along history in the USA of black folks getting charged with crimes at a disproportionately high rate.
That’s all of them
Lock him up!