Pornhub is protesting this law and others by blocking the site.
Pornhub blocked all users in Arkansas after the state’s new age verification law went into effect on Tuesday. The law requires porn sites to verify that users are at least 18 years old. Pornhub argued that requiring ID verification actually harms users’ privacy and puts children at risk. MindGeek, Pornhub’s operator, has decided to block access from states with similar age verification laws. After complying with a similar law in Louisiana, Pornhub traffic dropped by 80%, so they decided blocking access entirely was preferable to implementing age verification.
States they have blocked for similar laws: Virginia, Utah, Mississippi.
In Louisiana the first state to do this they tried to comply and their traffic decreased by 80%.
So, you know, I was a child in the 1980s, still had access to porn. In magazines, on VHS. They won’t stop making porn. If it’s out there, the people will access. The people who made these laws will access, no doubt. So dumb.
The problem is not access, it’s unlimited instant access. We had to wait until our parents weren’t home to raid Dad’s stash. Or catch a tape from someone’s uncle at a sleepover. It’s a world of difference.
That being said, blocking is not the answer. Blocking the major sites just pushes people to smaller sites, which may be more likely to harbor revenge porn, underage content, nonconsensual content, etc.
I really don’t see the difference. Instant access versus delayed access… sounds like a Freud book I read about once about the pleasure principle. It’s all silly. The timing has nothing to do with anything. As a matter of fact, you’ve just argued yourself out of your own argument and made my point all over again. You can see it tomorrow, you can have it today. You can delay your pleasure. You can choose not to delay your pleasure. You can delay your pleasure because that’s what pleasures you.
According to the cookies experiment, learning to delay instant rewards in exchange for higher future rewards, is a skill usually acquired at a young age that leads to higher success rates later in life.
Applied to sexual pleasure, the choice might be less relevant in adults, but growing up and getting used to instant unlimited gratification, sounds like a way to end up with an incel/rape culture mindset.
That downward slope there? That’s the prime years of the first generation coming into their own with internet porn; pornhub launched in 2007. 2014 is clearly subject to some effect – there’s reason to think it’s increased rates of reporting – but we’re literally back at 1990 levels in terms of reporting. If you’re going to blame 2014 on porn that had been around 15 years, then how do you explain the early 90s?
I’m not going to claim having an explanation for all what’s going on there, but coupled with reports from people who are supposed to know more than me (watched one on the other day on addiction, Internet, and sex… as applied to Spain, but still), there are some worrying observations:
For 20 years it seemed like whatever we were doing, was working. Then, about 10 years ago, it got a hard rebound, and we still don’t know about how bad the post-pandemic trend is going to look like (government officials might already have some data, though).
Parenting since the widespread use of the touch screen (2007 and further), has changed to allow kids at ever younger ages unrestricted access to all media on the Internet. The average age to get a smartphone in Spain, has fallen from 14 to 10 years of age, with some 6 year olds already getting theirs, particularly among families with parents who are already too busy to spend time on proper parenting.
In recent years, after a group assault got wide media coverage to the point of changing some laws, an alarming number of assaults have been reported where groups of ever younger kids (as low as 12) would target an even younger victim… then record it on video and share it.
Social media algorithmic optimizations (like Instagram, plugged into Facebook’s algorithms in 2012), have led teens down a path of addiction to sharing more and more, including bypassing age restrictions for adult content on networks like TikTok or OnlyFans (both launched 2016), where they get monetary gain from “fan service”. An impactful piece was seeing a barely adult girl, after 6 months of therapy, still argue against letting go of her OnlyFans account with $3K on it, clearly made on underage content.
I would really wish it was just increased reporting, but it definitely looks like something more serious is going on.
You mentioned the 1990s, that’s where I can speak from first hand experience:
We had a hard time getting access to any porn until 18. There was some, sneaked from parents, uncles, and older brothers, but it was considered a “rare stash” that would pale in the eyes of stuff freely available to anyone with a browser and a search engine.
“Kids would be kids”, and in 6th grade we already had both the compulsive self-preasurer, and the girl who’d do “live fan service” after class. They were the odd cases out. High school is where stuff started to happen for most.
“Social media”, was going out on the street and talking to each other. Kids would talk about all sort of stuff, knowledge would always trickle down from older to younger siblings, but they were only slightly bombarded by ads to buy this or that product, not to influence how they interacted and exploit them on a massive scale.
Anyway, we could speculate a lot about what were the key changes, but since this is not supposed to be the place for such speculations, I think we can at least agree that something has changed quite dramatically.
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So, you know, I was a child in the 1980s, still had access to porn. In magazines, on VHS. They won’t stop making porn. If it’s out there, the people will access. The people who made these laws will access, no doubt. So dumb.
The problem is not access, it’s unlimited instant access. We had to wait until our parents weren’t home to raid Dad’s stash. Or catch a tape from someone’s uncle at a sleepover. It’s a world of difference.
That being said, blocking is not the answer. Blocking the major sites just pushes people to smaller sites, which may be more likely to harbor revenge porn, underage content, nonconsensual content, etc.
I really don’t see the difference. Instant access versus delayed access… sounds like a Freud book I read about once about the pleasure principle. It’s all silly. The timing has nothing to do with anything. As a matter of fact, you’ve just argued yourself out of your own argument and made my point all over again. You can see it tomorrow, you can have it today. You can delay your pleasure. You can choose not to delay your pleasure. You can delay your pleasure because that’s what pleasures you.
According to the cookies experiment, learning to delay instant rewards in exchange for higher future rewards, is a skill usually acquired at a young age that leads to higher success rates later in life.
Applied to sexual pleasure, the choice might be less relevant in adults, but growing up and getting used to instant unlimited gratification, sounds like a way to end up with an incel/rape culture mindset.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think it’s dangerous and disingenuous to substitute your imagination for evidence when describing a trend that doesn’t appear to exist.
Reported rates of rape are the same in 2020 as in 1990
Let’s substitute your comment with the actual data, in case someone can spot a trend:
That downward slope there? That’s the prime years of the first generation coming into their own with internet porn; pornhub launched in 2007. 2014 is clearly subject to some effect – there’s reason to think it’s increased rates of reporting – but we’re literally back at 1990 levels in terms of reporting. If you’re going to blame 2014 on porn that had been around 15 years, then how do you explain the early 90s?
I’m not going to claim having an explanation for all what’s going on there, but coupled with reports from people who are supposed to know more than me (watched one on the other day on addiction, Internet, and sex… as applied to Spain, but still), there are some worrying observations:
I would really wish it was just increased reporting, but it definitely looks like something more serious is going on.
You mentioned the 1990s, that’s where I can speak from first hand experience:
Anyway, we could speculate a lot about what were the key changes, but since this is not supposed to be the place for such speculations, I think we can at least agree that something has changed quite dramatically.
“me too” happened and women started reporting it more often.