Senator Paula Simons stands in the Chamber alongside colleagues to reaffirm the rights of 2SLGBTQIA+ Canadians, call out partisan scapegoating of trans Canadian, and dispel myths about the danger to children. She joins the Honourable Senator René Cormier and others in the Red Chamber urging the government to convene its national anti-hate action plan as promised in Budget 2023 - and draws disturbing parallels between transphobia and antisemitism.
Nice knee jerk response to valid criticism. It is objectively difficult to support a cause when a) you can’t remember the current “correct” name, or b) you get non-inclusive shamed for not using the (current) right name, or c) you get called a bigot for pointing out either of these things by knee jerking shit heads like yourself.
I do, of course. It certainly is mainly to serve as a means to shorten things. Still, not every acronym has the exact same purposes behind its design.
Not every acronym is designed to be easy to remember. Obvious example: UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG, almost 1MM members on reddit; many of whom probably can’t recall the entire acronym and yet it’s a lively subreddit.
What other purpose would an acronym serve?
One of these extra purposes imbued to 2SLGBTQIA+ is to bring visibility. Visibility is achieved by unwrapping a few extra letters from inside the + in there. And the obvious demonstration that it works is this post: some people just learned what 2S means, thanks to it being right there in the acronym.
It is objectively difficult to support a cause when a) you can’t remember the current “correct” name
Feel free to use whatever term you like the most.
b) you get non-inclusive shamed for not using the (current) right name
Has that actually happened to you, or is it something you fear? I understand how that would be upsetting. Being demonized when you have acted in good faith hurts.
c) you get called a bigot for pointing out either of these things
Gender and sexual minorities have been demonized for centuries and are now finally trying to both understand themselves and to be understood. This process of (self) discovery is slow and in the meantime we will have this alphabet soup until things settle down to simple convenient umbrella terms.
For now, let’s try to be friendly and welcoming to everyone.
B) Yes, at a pride parade most recently of all things. Had to be defended by my two gay room mates.
C) Don’t deflect. Homey (forget if it was you) was being an asshole; and the reality is that nobody can keep up with your brand if you’re constantly changing the name. Things rebrand seldomly and deliberately for a reason.
I’ve been to gay weddings, two of my best friends are gay, members of my family are gay, my wife’s best friend works in gender affirming care. All of the people I just mentioned acknowledge that this constantly expanding need-to-include-everybody in a name somehow has a negative impact on both perception and support. So if you can’t accept that opinion, even if you disagree, it’s short sighted of you. And challenging anyone that points it out as a bigot is closed minded.
It is. Some people prefer using a different term, and that is also fine.
B) Yes, at a pride parade most recently of all things. Had to be defended by my two gay room mates.
Please do elaborate. Did the problem arise because you used your preferred term and somebody corrected you, or the other way around? Because at least in this post it’s been you who has been demanding other people to use your preferred term, not the other way around.
Don’t deflect. Homey (forget if it was you)
It wasn’t me, and you could have checked very easily.
So if you can’t accept that opinion, even if you disagree, it’s short sighted of you
So, people can either agree with your opinion or be shortsighted? Is there no room for anything else?
Whether your various queer acquaintances agree with you or not, other queer people like me can disagree, because we are not the Borg. Speaking of consensus, if we have one thing in common it is probably being tired of straight people telling us how to be queer.
Most people also have trouble empathizing with people who lash out and get hostile anytime they receive feedback that can be even slightly perceived as criticism.
If you’re wondering who would ever do such a thing, I encourage you to visit the nearest restroom and look into the large piece of glass hanging above the sink.
Most people also have trouble empathizing with people who lash out and get hostile anytime they receive feedback that can be even slightly perceived as criticism.
This is how you started, and it didn’t get any better as the conversation continued:
Nice knee jerk response to valid criticism. It is objectively difficult to support a cause when […] knee jerking shit heads like yourself
Does that sound like something that “can be even slightly perceived as criticism”? Perhaps there’s some room for improvement. You could try not insulting people if you don’t like people being offended by what you say.
The equal rights are a bit more important than the name don’t you think? Trying to find the most inclusive name possible that’s apparently ever changing and impossible to remember doesn’t seem super useful.
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Nice bigot comment.
Nice knee jerk response to valid criticism. It is objectively difficult to support a cause when a) you can’t remember the current “correct” name, or b) you get non-inclusive shamed for not using the (current) right name, or c) you get called a bigot for pointing out either of these things by knee jerking shit heads like yourself.
lol super valid criticism, not a knee jerk response at all
The acronym used in this post is ELEVEN characters long. When you have an acronym that long, you’ve lost sight of the purpose and acronym serves.
Care to enlighten the community on the purpose of that acronym?
Could it not be the case that the purpose you see in that acronym is a different one from the purpose the activists do?
Do…do you not understand the basic function of an acronym? Which is mainly to serve as a means to shorten things so that they’re easier to remember?
What other purpose would an acronym serve? Regardless of what it is?
I do, of course. It certainly is mainly to serve as a means to shorten things. Still, not every acronym has the exact same purposes behind its design.
Not every acronym is designed to be easy to remember. Obvious example: UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG, almost 1MM members on reddit; many of whom probably can’t recall the entire acronym and yet it’s a lively subreddit.
One of these extra purposes imbued to 2SLGBTQIA+ is to bring visibility. Visibility is achieved by unwrapping a few extra letters from inside the + in there. And the obvious demonstration that it works is this post: some people just learned what 2S means, thanks to it being right there in the acronym.
Feel free to use whatever term you like the most.
Has that actually happened to you, or is it something you fear? I understand how that would be upsetting. Being demonized when you have acted in good faith hurts.
Gender and sexual minorities have been demonized for centuries and are now finally trying to both understand themselves and to be understood. This process of (self) discovery is slow and in the meantime we will have this alphabet soup until things settle down to simple convenient umbrella terms.
For now, let’s try to be friendly and welcoming to everyone.
A) LGBT is/was fine, and yes I live in an area
B) Yes, at a pride parade most recently of all things. Had to be defended by my two gay room mates.
C) Don’t deflect. Homey (forget if it was you) was being an asshole; and the reality is that nobody can keep up with your brand if you’re constantly changing the name. Things rebrand seldomly and deliberately for a reason.
I’ve been to gay weddings, two of my best friends are gay, members of my family are gay, my wife’s best friend works in gender affirming care. All of the people I just mentioned acknowledge that this constantly expanding need-to-include-everybody in a name somehow has a negative impact on both perception and support. So if you can’t accept that opinion, even if you disagree, it’s short sighted of you. And challenging anyone that points it out as a bigot is closed minded.
It is. Some people prefer using a different term, and that is also fine.
Please do elaborate. Did the problem arise because you used your preferred term and somebody corrected you, or the other way around? Because at least in this post it’s been you who has been demanding other people to use your preferred term, not the other way around.
It wasn’t me, and you could have checked very easily.
So, people can either agree with your opinion or be shortsighted? Is there no room for anything else?
Whether your various queer acquaintances agree with you or not, other queer people like me can disagree, because we are not the Borg. Speaking of consensus, if we have one thing in common it is probably being tired of straight people telling us how to be queer.
You should really re-read what you’re writing before writing it. The point has now gone over your head three times.
Or maybe some people have trouble empathizing with marginalized minorities who want representation because they’ve never been in their shoes.
Most people also have trouble empathizing with people who lash out and get hostile anytime they receive feedback that can be even slightly perceived as criticism.
If you’re wondering who would ever do such a thing, I encourage you to visit the nearest restroom and look into the large piece of glass hanging above the sink.
This is how you started, and it didn’t get any better as the conversation continued:
Does that sound like something that “can be even slightly perceived as criticism”? Perhaps there’s some room for improvement. You could try not insulting people if you don’t like people being offended by what you say.
The equal rights are a bit more important than the name don’t you think? Trying to find the most inclusive name possible that’s apparently ever changing and impossible to remember doesn’t seem super useful.
The fact you’re focusing on the name and not the message is what makes me extremely suspicious about your motives.
It’s useful to the people who are trying to understand themselves and to be seen.
You can use whatever term you like, and let other people use theirs.
Feel free to continue to use LGBT+, it’s concise and makes it clear you’re trying to be inclusive.