Alberta and America have both changed a lot in the past decades. The rural areas would probably still be (light?) red, but most of the population is in Calgary and Edmonton, and they’re not going to go for no-joke Republicans that think the election was faked by a global cabal of pedophiles.
The Alberta NDP is a bit like the Liberals in other places, I’d say.
I’d argue that SoCred wasn’t conservative. It was anti-capitalist, for one thing; although it wasn’t really socialist either, but kind of it’s own thing.
We don’t have a prime minister. Our premier won by just 1300 (well-placed, it’d be more if they were outside of Calgary) votes in a province of 4 million. I rest my case.
That’s a lot more than 1300 votes. Maybe your province leans towards the far right more than you want to admit, 52.63% of the popular vote going to a COVID denier that called those who got vaccinated Nazis and lied about having first Nation ancestry, that doesn’t look good to me…
No, I was pretty involved, so I’m sure about this. I was told 1309, to be exact, distributed across the close Calgary ridings.
In rural areas, it wasn’t even close, so that drives up the UCP numbers quite a bit. People are crazy loyal to anything labeled “conservative” out in the boonies, it’s not even a question of policy (which is why they’d vote Republican). Still, if you look at the popular vote numbers, 52.6% isn’t exactly a landslide. The NDP were a hair from winning.
As for the far right, that stuff is brewing up in conservative parties all over the Western world. I seem to remember leaving bodies in dumps being the centerpoint of the Manitoba campaign, and the leading party federally is full of MPs that supported the trucker convoy. That’s not an excuse, but I think it’s a stretch to say that because people narrowly voted Danielle Smith in, they’d be okay not having government healthcare, which I can’t imagine a Republican candidate would abide.
You’re mixing the way first past the post works with popular votes (which is the important part of this discussion), that’s two separate things and you should know it if you were involved as you mentioned. One shows the opinion of the population as a whole, the other shows the opinion of the majority of separate districts.
The NDP wasn’t even close to the conservatives, they were 8.6% behind in popular support. 1300 is the difference required to switch enough districts to the NDP so they would have won, it still would have meant that they would have taken power with less than 45% of the total vote and with the second position going to a party with 8% more popular support than them.
If your three kids want to go see movie A and you and your wife want to go see movie B and you tell them “Well, we’re paying so we’re going to see Movie B” it doesn’t mean your family was leaning towards seeing Movie B, it means the parents had disproportionate power to decide which movie the family was going to see.
That’s what happens with first past the post, have 45 districts voting at 100% for Party A, 55 districts each individually voting at 35% for party A and 65% for party B, party B is now in power with 35.75% of the popular vote and 55 seats, party A has 45 seats and 64.25% of the popular vote.
Alberta leans conservative, the popular vote is the proof of that.
Yes, Alberta leans conservative. I of course can’t prove it, but I expect if suddenly in an environment with a centerline much further to the right, it would lean left. That’s all I’m saying.
Smith would be in the Republican party if we were in the US and she would be one of the MAGA COVID deniers libertarian wackos and she got over 50% of the vote, I think you need to start facing reality…
No, French is my first language and I just assumed that since we use the same title for both positions at the provincial and federal level in French it was the same in English.
I’m sure you would never ever make a mistake when speaking your second language and would hope that people would just consider your have no credibility on any subject if you ever did, I mean, that sounds completely fair, right?
What’s funny is that while you’re arguing about me making a mistake about her title you’re ignoring the fact that I pointed out, Smith got more than 50% of the popular vote in a very recent election and she’s much closer to the current Republicans than from the historic progressive conservatives of both Canada’s and Alberta’s past.
There you go… you made an assumption from ignorance which makes your message suspect at best. What else are you willing to assume? How Danielle Smith of you.
What’s funny is that while you’re arguing about me making a mistake about her title you’re ignoring the fact that I pointed out, Smith got more than 50% of the popular vote in a very recent election and she’s much closer to the current Republicans than from the historic progressive conservatives of both Canada’s and Alberta’s past.
You think that’s funny? What exactly is funny about that? Or do you mean something other than ‘funny’ because you know, ‘ESL is my excuse ‘du jour’?’
I’m looking forward to your next excuse for your poor behaviour.
No, I absolutely meant funny, you’re trying to derail the discussion by insulting me for something that is simply an honest mistake. What’s funny to me is that the only person that looks like a Smith supporter here is you because it seems like you don’t want to talk about the situation of politics in Alberta so you would rather try to discredit me instead.
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Alberta and America have both changed a lot in the past decades. The rural areas would probably still be (light?) red, but most of the population is in Calgary and Edmonton, and they’re not going to go for no-joke Republicans that think the election was faked by a global cabal of pedophiles.
The Alberta NDP is a bit like the Liberals in other places, I’d say.
I’d argue that SoCred wasn’t conservative. It was anti-capitalist, for one thing; although it wasn’t really socialist either, but kind of it’s own thing.
Who’s the
prime ministerpremier of Alberta? What % of the total vote did her party get?I rest my case.
We don’t have a prime minister. Our premier won by just 1300 (well-placed, it’d be more if they were outside of Calgary) votes in a province of 4 million. I rest my case.
The title is the same in french, sorry about that
That’s a lot more than 1300 votes. Maybe your province leans towards the far right more than you want to admit, 52.63% of the popular vote going to a COVID denier that called those who got vaccinated Nazis and lied about having first Nation ancestry, that doesn’t look good to me…
No, I was pretty involved, so I’m sure about this. I was told 1309, to be exact, distributed across the close Calgary ridings.
In rural areas, it wasn’t even close, so that drives up the UCP numbers quite a bit. People are crazy loyal to anything labeled “conservative” out in the boonies, it’s not even a question of policy (which is why they’d vote Republican). Still, if you look at the popular vote numbers, 52.6% isn’t exactly a landslide. The NDP were a hair from winning.
As for the far right, that stuff is brewing up in conservative parties all over the Western world. I seem to remember leaving bodies in dumps being the centerpoint of the Manitoba campaign, and the leading party federally is full of MPs that supported the trucker convoy. That’s not an excuse, but I think it’s a stretch to say that because people narrowly voted Danielle Smith in, they’d be okay not having government healthcare, which I can’t imagine a Republican candidate would abide.
You’re mixing the way first past the post works with popular votes (which is the important part of this discussion), that’s two separate things and you should know it if you were involved as you mentioned. One shows the opinion of the population as a whole, the other shows the opinion of the majority of separate districts.
The NDP wasn’t even close to the conservatives, they were 8.6% behind in popular support. 1300 is the difference required to switch enough districts to the NDP so they would have won, it still would have meant that they would have taken power with less than 45% of the total vote and with the second position going to a party with 8% more popular support than them.
If your three kids want to go see movie A and you and your wife want to go see movie B and you tell them “Well, we’re paying so we’re going to see Movie B” it doesn’t mean your family was leaning towards seeing Movie B, it means the parents had disproportionate power to decide which movie the family was going to see.
That’s what happens with first past the post, have 45 districts voting at 100% for Party A, 55 districts each individually voting at 35% for party A and 65% for party B, party B is now in power with 35.75% of the popular vote and 55 seats, party A has 45 seats and 64.25% of the popular vote.
Alberta leans conservative, the popular vote is the proof of that.
Alberta has first past the post.
Yes, Alberta leans conservative. I of course can’t prove it, but I expect if suddenly in an environment with a centerline much further to the right, it would lean left. That’s all I’m saying.
Smith would be in the Republican party if we were in the US and she would be one of the MAGA COVID deniers libertarian wackos and she got over 50% of the vote, I think you need to start facing reality…
Hey, you don’t even live here, how would you know the reality better than me?
Plus, you’re not even presenting new information at this point, you’re just repeating what you’re arguing for.
Don’t even argue with this asshole. His entire history is nothing but arguing all the time and taking a contrary position.
PRIME MINISTER OF ALBERTA?? lol…
Clearly a Danielle Smith supporter because you don’t know anything and wouldn’t dare let your lack of knowledge stop you from talking out your ass.
I’m shocked at how stupid your comment is.
In french the title is the same, guess we can ignore everything I said because I made a mistake in her title! 😱
So no, I’m not a Smith supporter, far from it.
So you’re blaming the French title instead of admitting not knowing her actual title?
Yeah, I’ll ignore everything you ever say going forward as you clearly do not care about being accurate.
No, French is my first language and I just assumed that since we use the same title for both positions at the provincial and federal level in French it was the same in English.
I’m sure you would never ever make a mistake when speaking your second language and would hope that people would just consider your have no credibility on any subject if you ever did, I mean, that sounds completely fair, right?
What’s funny is that while you’re arguing about me making a mistake about her title you’re ignoring the fact that I pointed out, Smith got more than 50% of the popular vote in a very recent election and she’s much closer to the current Republicans than from the historic progressive conservatives of both Canada’s and Alberta’s past.
There you go… you made an assumption from ignorance which makes your message suspect at best. What else are you willing to assume? How Danielle Smith of you.
You think that’s funny? What exactly is funny about that? Or do you mean something other than ‘funny’ because you know, ‘ESL is my excuse ‘du jour’?’
I’m looking forward to your next excuse for your poor behaviour.
No, I absolutely meant funny, you’re trying to derail the discussion by insulting me for something that is simply an honest mistake. What’s funny to me is that the only person that looks like a Smith supporter here is you because it seems like you don’t want to talk about the situation of politics in Alberta so you would rather try to discredit me instead.
Keep assuming from nothing. Clearly you think it’s working for you.
That’s a little over the top. Or was that the point?