Its really no worse than it was with keys. The flipper zero only works on very cheap, corner cutting simple systems. A lot of cars (and all cars should) use non-repeating codes so a simple interception is useless. That doesn’t make them invincible of course.
Those cars would, back in the day, use simple corner cutting keys to be secured. There were quite a few cars back in the day that would have only a very small number of keys meaning there was a mon-trivial chance of you running into a car that you could open that wasn’t your own. There are countless stories of people accidentally unlocking and getting into cars that are not there’s.
Here’s a concrete example, there are only about 5000 different keys for some brands of Toyota. A car thief could get 10keys and try 10cars a day (and remember this would take a minute or 2 and not really look suspicious) and successfully steal a car every 2 months or so. A dongle pretty decisively kills this avenue of attack. But like all things shitty engineering opens up new attacks, although on the whole it’s a lot harder to steal a car today than before dongles.
Agreed! It’s actually pretty easy to make a car not start - that is in fact the default behavior for a large chunk of metal. The fact they will start given whatever fixed input is incredibly unnecessary.
Edit: Apparently they don’t? It’s in the article. This announcement is just totally misaimed.
I can most assuredly tell you that that is not the case, my vehicle does have a physical key hidden away in the fob, it however only unlocks the driver side door, that’s it.
Well for me it does not, hell my car doesn’t even have a oil or transmission dipstick, they have taken those away and run the info through the infotainment console.
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Let’s instead declare public enemy number one as the asshat marketers that took away our physical keys and forced us to use poorly secured dongles.
Its really no worse than it was with keys. The flipper zero only works on very cheap, corner cutting simple systems. A lot of cars (and all cars should) use non-repeating codes so a simple interception is useless. That doesn’t make them invincible of course.
Those cars would, back in the day, use simple corner cutting keys to be secured. There were quite a few cars back in the day that would have only a very small number of keys meaning there was a mon-trivial chance of you running into a car that you could open that wasn’t your own. There are countless stories of people accidentally unlocking and getting into cars that are not there’s.
Here’s a concrete example, there are only about 5000 different keys for some brands of Toyota. A car thief could get 10keys and try 10cars a day (and remember this would take a minute or 2 and not really look suspicious) and successfully steal a car every 2 months or so. A dongle pretty decisively kills this avenue of attack. But like all things shitty engineering opens up new attacks, although on the whole it’s a lot harder to steal a car today than before dongles.
Agreed! It’s actually pretty easy to make a car not start - that is in fact the default behavior for a large chunk of metal.
The fact they will start given whatever fixed input is incredibly unnecessary.Edit: Apparently they don’t? It’s in the article. This announcement is just totally misaimed.
Dont all cars still have physical keys (necessary for dead batteries)?
And don’t all cars have a switch to turn off wireless keys?
I can most assuredly tell you that that is not the case, my vehicle does have a physical key hidden away in the fob, it however only unlocks the driver side door, that’s it.
That’s all you need.
Ok cool, I have entered my vehicle with the key alone, there is no possible way to start it without the fob. Save possibly a flipper,
Usually theres a place to insert the fob, then press Start
This works without a battery. Its passive.
Well for me it does not, hell my car doesn’t even have a oil or transmission dipstick, they have taken those away and run the info through the infotainment console.