What I will say is what upsets me is [Democrats] saying we will lose. For me, to a certain extent, I don’t care what name is on there. We are not losing. I don’t know about you, but my community does not have the option to lose. My community does not have the luxury of accepting loss in July of an election year. My people are the first ones deported. They’re the first ones put in Rikers. They’re the first ones whose families are killed by war.
The pattern of Biden defenders saying everything is ok and this is a campaign by nefarious elites rather than a very broad concern across the whole swath of the party. The problem isn’t people saying they think Biden is going to lose, the problem is Biden is going to lose.
Ah, I get what you mean. Yes the other person started acting like In was some Republican partisan for saying that the odds are stacked pretty high against Democrats (and I didn’t want to answer his call to action for Democrats since I’m not even American). It’s weird, sorta cultish behavior. If the campaign now relies on keeping their heads in the sand then they’re absolutely fucked. That’s now way to win anything.
Do you respond to some stupid political polling and scare mongering articles by insisting that Biden can’t win and demotivating Democrat voters? Or do you respond by talking to people and getting them to text their friends in swing states to tell them to vote?
Mobilize voters rather than just passively putting down your own check mark in November. Build energy for the campaign rather than diminishing it.
It’s not the fucking weather that we can’t do anything about. It’s not a hurricane. It’s human beings making a choice. Our narratives matter to that choice. It literally makes all the difference in the world.
Don’t passively assume defeat. Especially as it gets close to November. Let the media burn all their sabotaging, pro-corpo bullshit now. Let it be old news. Get inoculated against it. Then this fall, when we’re getting close, be relentless. Reach out, make connections, push that missing voter participation so it’s fresh in everyone’s minds.
We absolutely have this, but only if we put out the effort to take it.
I think it’s more that the candidate you’re running isn’t great and the candidate running against you just got a hell of a boost on top of the lead he already had. Hard to believe you’re going to turn this around.
Bruh… You have to stop this tactic of accusing people who are legitimately worried about Biden losing of boosting Trump. There are no potential-Trumpers here.
You are attacking the person instead of engaging with their argument. It’s just ad hominem.
Technically, there is no reason to assume that. Pro-[anything] can create an account on any federated instance and participate in all available communities, not necessarily in an obvious way.
For example, some days ago someone created an account on a federated instance, exclusively to respond to a comment of mine from 1 year ago.
This it still the Internet, even if a somewhat calmer part of it.
Right, but you’re talking about someone who is already pro -Trump. I’m talking about people who are undecided, but potentially pro-Trump.
Trolls most definitely infiltrate Left spaces, but undecided (which in practice means uninterested) voters who lean rightwards don’t, and they’re the ones that might be swayed towards Trump by arguments against a given Democrat candidate.
I don’t know if polls and all analysts and whatnot are what you’d call a narrative. The odds of Democrats winning this are poor. That’s just how it is.
It’s similar to my narrative that betting on a number on roulet, you probably won’t win. I bet some gambler will get mad about me maintaining that narrative too.
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But you probably are going to lose
Or hear me out, they can just gaslight us more. That’ll turn things around for sure.
What do you mean?
The pattern of Biden defenders saying everything is ok and this is a campaign by nefarious elites rather than a very broad concern across the whole swath of the party. The problem isn’t people saying they think Biden is going to lose, the problem is Biden is going to lose.
Ah, I get what you mean. Yes the other person started acting like In was some Republican partisan for saying that the odds are stacked pretty high against Democrats (and I didn’t want to answer his call to action for Democrats since I’m not even American). It’s weird, sorta cultish behavior. If the campaign now relies on keeping their heads in the sand then they’re absolutely fucked. That’s now way to win anything.
Only if you allow it.
Do you respond to some stupid political polling and scare mongering articles by insisting that Biden can’t win and demotivating Democrat voters? Or do you respond by talking to people and getting them to text their friends in swing states to tell them to vote?
Mobilize voters rather than just passively putting down your own check mark in November. Build energy for the campaign rather than diminishing it.
It’s not the fucking weather that we can’t do anything about. It’s not a hurricane. It’s human beings making a choice. Our narratives matter to that choice. It literally makes all the difference in the world.
Don’t passively assume defeat. Especially as it gets close to November. Let the media burn all their sabotaging, pro-corpo bullshit now. Let it be old news. Get inoculated against it. Then this fall, when we’re getting close, be relentless. Reach out, make connections, push that missing voter participation so it’s fresh in everyone’s minds.
We absolutely have this, but only if we put out the effort to take it.
I really doubt you’ll have this, no matter what you do
That’s because the corpo media really wants you to doubt that we’ll have this.
Quit being a debbie downer and try!
I think it’s more that the candidate you’re running isn’t great and the candidate running against you just got a hell of a boost on top of the lead he already had. Hard to believe you’re going to turn this around.
I’d rather let you figure out your own elections
If you’d rather let us figure out our own elections, why are you out here building energy for the Trump campaign?
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Bruh… You have to stop this tactic of accusing people who are legitimately worried about Biden losing of boosting Trump. There are no potential-Trumpers here.
You are attacking the person instead of engaging with their argument. It’s just ad hominem.
Agree to fully disagree.
But I’m also not a bruh. Suh? Idk.
Apologies, I did not intend to misgender.
Bruh as it’s used here in California is not gendered, and it is not something you address someone as, it’s an expression of frustration or disbelief.
You’re right, except for this:
Technically, there is no reason to assume that. Pro-[anything] can create an account on any federated instance and participate in all available communities, not necessarily in an obvious way.
For example, some days ago someone created an account on a federated instance, exclusively to respond to a comment of mine from 1 year ago.
This it still the Internet, even if a somewhat calmer part of it.
Right, but you’re talking about someone who is already pro -Trump. I’m talking about people who are undecided, but potentially pro-Trump.
Trolls most definitely infiltrate Left spaces, but undecided (which in practice means uninterested) voters who lean rightwards don’t, and they’re the ones that might be swayed towards Trump by arguments against a given Democrat candidate.
If me saying what everyone is already predicting is “building energy for the Trump campaign” then you truly are fucked.
And yet you’re still spending your limited time on Earth seemingly doing everything you can to maintain that narrative! Weird!
I don’t know if polls and all analysts and whatnot are what you’d call a narrative. The odds of Democrats winning this are poor. That’s just how it is.
It’s similar to my narrative that betting on a number on roulet, you probably won’t win. I bet some gambler will get mad about me maintaining that narrative too.