Right. I think the real vision isn’t that every single person self-hosts, but every community has somebody in it who does the self-hosting for the community. Everybody can be independent like villages instead of totally centralized like empires
If you expect your IT cousin/uncle/brother hosting the family immich/nextcloud to not be a trusted person in regards of bad actors your issue is not exclusive to selfhosting.
And if you’re one of the people who can crack a beer open with the owners of Google, then you found your right community.
However, in the general case, I don’t think these count as any individuals communities. You can’t rub elbows with the people maintaining Google and Facebook. You can’t talk to them about issues you’re having, they’re not going to dynamically modify the system for special cases that are important to your community. A community is a group of people who know each other.
They host software for anyone to use, and capture all the data, usage patterns, etc, for themselves, to use for their benefit, and to use against you.
Hell, Google deleted a company’s entire dataset recently. Everything. They gave the police location data on an area and a random person, for no reason other than happening to be in the area, was arrested for murder. Nevermind that they biked through that area every day. Remember Facebook tracking pixels? Cambridge Analytica (which is currently in court)? I mean I can go on and on about how FAANG is abusive and dishonest.
And you want to sit here and tell me they’re the answer?
Are you just an apologist for FAANG, etc? Because you’re really sounding like one at this point.
They host software for anyone to use, and capture all the data, usage patterns, etc, for themselves, to use for their benefit, and to use against you.
So I guess that we can agree that data stored on other people’s computers will not be safe. I honestly wonder why you think other people’s computers are safer if you know their names.
And you want to sit here and tell me they’re the answer?
I would be very grateful if you would only judge what I have written and not what you think I might have meant.
Are you just an apologist for FAANG, etc?
There is no reason to attack me personally, my friend.
Who’s paying you to post this disinformation?
Just in case I’m fundamentally misunderstanding your personal attack so I don’t report it to the moderators without cause: What is ‘disinformation’ about my pointing out that Google and Facebook host software for other people (even if they have their own motives)?
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Right. I think the real vision isn’t that every single person self-hosts, but every community has somebody in it who does the self-hosting for the community. Everybody can be independent like villages instead of totally centralized like empires
That’s what (e.g.) Google and Facebook do: Host software for the community.
That’s like saying a farmer will put cheese on a piece of cardboard for the mice to eat.
They might eat it yes, but that wasnt the reason for the whole interaction to start. The glue around the cheese was.
I’m glad that you see my point that “other people hosting your data” is not really a good idea.
If you expect your IT cousin/uncle/brother hosting the family immich/nextcloud to not be a trusted person in regards of bad actors your issue is not exclusive to selfhosting.
And if you’re one of the people who can crack a beer open with the owners of Google, then you found your right community.
However, in the general case, I don’t think these count as any individuals communities. You can’t rub elbows with the people maintaining Google and Facebook. You can’t talk to them about issues you’re having, they’re not going to dynamically modify the system for special cases that are important to your community. A community is a group of people who know each other.
They host software for anyone to use, and capture all the data, usage patterns, etc, for themselves, to use for their benefit, and to use against you.
Hell, Google deleted a company’s entire dataset recently. Everything. They gave the police location data on an area and a random person, for no reason other than happening to be in the area, was arrested for murder. Nevermind that they biked through that area every day. Remember Facebook tracking pixels? Cambridge Analytica (which is currently in court)? I mean I can go on and on about how FAANG is abusive and dishonest.
And you want to sit here and tell me they’re the answer?
Are you just an apologist for FAANG, etc? Because you’re really sounding like one at this point.
Who’s paying you to post this disinformation?
So I guess that we can agree that data stored on other people’s computers will not be safe. I honestly wonder why you think other people’s computers are safer if you know their names.
I would be very grateful if you would only judge what I have written and not what you think I might have meant.
There is no reason to attack me personally, my friend.
Just in case I’m fundamentally misunderstanding your personal attack so I don’t report it to the moderators without cause: What is ‘disinformation’ about my pointing out that Google and Facebook host software for other people (even if they have their own motives)?