I want to set up a collaborative writing/socializing platform for my friend group using something like Calckey/Misskey, and just want to know if this is possible.
The non Fediverse options all look very lacking, and are meant for corporate/business environments anyway. It really feels like there’s not many good and modern options for this sort of thing, but maybe there’s better alternatives. Who knows, I’m really new to this scene.
As I understand it, disabling federation stops you seeing other people’s content. It doesn’t stop others from seeing yours. Though how they would fibd yours is a different matter.
This is a strange one. I assumed people wanting this type of service would want to view all the content from the fediverse but not push to the fediverse
E.g. start your own instance of kbin and connect with everyone but turn off your own federation so no one sees your posts.
No not really. If you run federation and block an instance then all you do is not consume their pushes through ActivityPub. They can still consume your pushes. But if you turn of federation then you disable the whole of ActivityPub and you don’t push anything. Remember that ActivityPub is primarily push based, i.e. your instance pushes new posts out to all federated instances instead of pulling new posts in.
Thanks for that. I think I was getting confused between turning off all federation and defederating with an instance.
Setting all that aside, I would caution that even turning off federation isn’t enough to necessarily make it truly private. People could still discover it through random portscanning or whatever.
Yeah running solo you still need a hostname if anyone else is to reasonably use it, without resorting to vpns, private dns and/or other complexity.
And the default deployment of Lemmy is still publicly viewable without login so you’re still posting everything for the world to see. Security by obscurity is no security at all. As has been said a million times. Same naturally goes for privacy.
I believe I see options in my admin portal that would allow making your instance private. If that doesn’t do what you want I wonder if you could populate the whitelist with a phony address which would affectively defederate you from everything.
I think so, you’d just need to not add any other instances on your instance settings. Not 100% sure. I just started my own instance a couple of days ago. And I could not connect to other communities unless I whitelisted them in settings. Also there’s a bunch of options and variables in configuration files that enable/disable activitypub.
I think I recall reading something about how it used to be something available from the UI settings, but I believe as it stands, there’s no official setting in the admin panel to stop anyone else from being able to see your instance. You can disable open registration, and just not federate with anyone.
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Absolutely. Each server can be entirely standalone, you can just disable federation.
Holy cow, that’s sweet! I’ll definitely give it a try then.
As I understand it, disabling federation stops you seeing other people’s content. It doesn’t stop others from seeing yours. Though how they would fibd yours is a different matter.
This is a strange one. I assumed people wanting this type of service would want to view all the content from the fediverse but not push to the fediverse
E.g. start your own instance of kbin and connect with everyone but turn off your own federation so no one sees your posts.
Wonder if that scenario has been catered to?
No not really. If you run federation and block an instance then all you do is not consume their pushes through ActivityPub. They can still consume your pushes. But if you turn of federation then you disable the whole of ActivityPub and you don’t push anything. Remember that ActivityPub is primarily push based, i.e. your instance pushes new posts out to all federated instances instead of pulling new posts in.
Thanks for that. I think I was getting confused between turning off all federation and defederating with an instance.
Setting all that aside, I would caution that even turning off federation isn’t enough to necessarily make it truly private. People could still discover it through random portscanning or whatever.
Yeah running solo you still need a hostname if anyone else is to reasonably use it, without resorting to vpns, private dns and/or other complexity.
And the default deployment of Lemmy is still publicly viewable without login so you’re still posting everything for the world to see. Security by obscurity is no security at all. As has been said a million times. Same naturally goes for privacy.
I believe I see options in my admin portal that would allow making your instance private. If that doesn’t do what you want I wonder if you could populate the whitelist with a phony address which would affectively defederate you from everything.
I think so, you’d just need to not add any other instances on your instance settings. Not 100% sure. I just started my own instance a couple of days ago. And I could not connect to other communities unless I whitelisted them in settings. Also there’s a bunch of options and variables in configuration files that enable/disable activitypub.
Yes, but literally why tho.
I stated why in the post.
Truth social did it and so can you.
I honestly forgot about this, there’s also that Blue Sky thing I heard people talk about. I’m very excited to give this a go now.
Blue Sky uses a different protocol.
Ah, my bad. I never really looked into it but I kept hearing similar stories, especially when the Meta leak happened.
I’ve been mucking about with the new claude.ai from anthropic, and thought I would ask it - here’s what it said:
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You can run Lemmy private, without any federation.
If you are looking for something facebookish, than you could look at WordPress with BuddyPress plugins for example.
I think I recall reading something about how it used to be something available from the UI settings, but I believe as it stands, there’s no official setting in the admin panel to stop anyone else from being able to see your instance. You can disable open registration, and just not federate with anyone.
Just check the
Private instancebox in the settings and it’ll do exactly that.This is really an option on Calckey??? I did not expect this use case to be accounted for, let alone supported.
Yes it’s possible on calckey.