A fellow mod informed me that about it as I was laying in bed. Reddit sent a message to the mod team and after 1 hour demoded me. I didn’t even had time to see it, never-mind respond to it.
Looks like we rattled reddit enough to start shooting. There goes all that fancy talk about our protest not affecting them much.
Just FYI for now. It’s late here so I’ll see how we proceed tomorrow.
LMAO and these guys wanting to reopen /r/piracy are awaiting IPO. Any investor not seeing the issues at hand here deserve all the misfortune they’ll get.
This is not a simple problem to solve and it exists nowhere online. The fediverse however affords at least way more control than reddit or any forum where they can do the same and you have no options whatsoever
I checked nosr. It’s very misguided. It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking. I wish them best of luck, but my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.
You’ve sold me on nostr as a protocol, and the importance of nomadic identities more generally. Thing is, I don’t and have never used twitter, or any simililar platform, since I’m not really interested in that model of content consumption. (User/follower based)
I’m much more interested in group/community based models, like lemmy/reddit, and conceptually even futaba/chan style imageboards where users can create their own boards (though I have yet to see one that isn’t a cesspit).
lol imagine being so desperate for the protest to come to an end that you are even targeting a community that engages in legally questionable activity.
I’m sure the process of determining what mods to DM was automated, but even so, it’s still pretty funny to me.
This needs so much more noise! If only some of us were part of major news channels, more shareholders need to know now that reddit is in IPO process. It’ll hurt bad.
Yeah, even if they backtrack on all of this shit, I am done with them. This episode as a whole is a great illustration of the danger of allowing a private business to run one of the biggest spaces for community and discourse in the world.
Same here, no matter what they do now they’ve made it extremely clear what they think about their users, even if something happened tomorrow and the fediverse somehow went down (which would be a feat unto itself) I’m never touching reddit again
@Charcoal8645@edgerunnergit Basically, the Fediverse is a universe of tech designed to talk and interact with each other. For example, I can interact with you even though I don’t have a Lemmy account, and it works the other way too. ActivityPub connects all of us. I’m also sure interopability will strengthen as these services grow. It isn’t just Mastodon focus migrations happening and this is really great!
"In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:
The defendant must be a “provider or user” of an “interactive computer service”.
The cause of action asserted by the plaintiff must treat the defendant as the “publisher or speaker” of the harmful information at issue.
3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider”, i.e., the defendant must not be the “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue."
If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?
No, definitely not. The point of section 230 is to give websites the power to moderate themselves without being open to liability. IIRC previously, you had to choose between 0 moderation and no liability or moderation and liability, leading websites to either go for complete anarchy or extremely aggressive censorship.
1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying “they’ll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone”
2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab
3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands
4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.
Not sure mate. I’ve had a target on my back for the last couple of years I believe. I had a bunch of accounts at one stage for different purposes. I used to post a lot of long-form content: reviews, how-to tech guides etc etc and as a self preservation technique I kept each niche to a seperate account.
Over the last 2 years I had one 11 year old account, one 8 year old account and another few fresher ones perma-banned with no reason given, or just the flimsiest excuse under the sun. I must have really pissed off one of the mods/ admins - they can track you by IP and browser info etc.
Given the size of Reddit, admins don’t check when mods abuse users, I had my 10 yr account with 150K nearly permabanned because of a mod banning me from my own countries sub for posting a non offensive meme on the wrong day.
I wasn’t logged in on a computer, was using Reddit which showed me my local subs by default and the saved login credentials was a different alt.
I was typing a comment reply, realised I wasn’t logged and signed in with the other alt, didn’t realise it wasn’t another local sub and I got suspended Reddit wide for “ban evasion” and nearly lost a decade old major account because a mod in my countries sub abused their position.
I never retaliated, wasn’t rude, didn’t genuinely try to evade the ban and nearly lost a decade of activity.
There are a lot of benefits to the fediverse and I plan on hosting my own personal instance soon.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
⚓ Dedicated to the discussion of digital piracy, including ethical problems and legal advancements.
LMAO and these guys wanting to reopen /r/piracy are awaiting IPO. Any investor not seeing the issues at hand here deserve all the misfortune they’ll get.
This bullshit made me nuke my 30k karma account. I hope lemmy won’t die month later.
That’s literally impossible! An instance may go down, but it will stay cached.
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This is not a simple problem to solve and it exists nowhere online. The fediverse however affords at least way more control than reddit or any forum where they can do the same and you have no options whatsoever
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I checked nosr. It’s very misguided. It’s anti-spam strategy is wishful thinking. I wish them best of luck, but my belief is that it will crash and burn due to trying to fix something unfixable.
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This is so naive I don’t even know where to start. But it’s ok, I don’t need to convince you. Reality will do it for me anyway.
You’ve sold me on nostr as a protocol, and the importance of nomadic identities more generally. Thing is, I don’t and have never used twitter, or any simililar platform, since I’m not really interested in that model of content consumption. (User/follower based)
I’m much more interested in group/community based models, like lemmy/reddit, and conceptually even futaba/chan style imageboards where users can create their own boards (though I have yet to see one that isn’t a cesspit).
But what other federated entity allows for nomadic identities? And how would it work?
Okie, I’m absolute noob here. Right now I struggle to find night mode. :D
Settings > Theme
Karma is for noobs and tryhards.
This should somehow be made known outside the fediverse, to bring more people away from reddit and to here
please do share. I can only spread the word so much.
lol imagine being so desperate for the protest to come to an end that you are even targeting a community that engages in legally questionable activity.
I’m sure the process of determining what mods to DM was automated, but even so, it’s still pretty funny to me.
So Reddit is forcing open a piracy sub. I wonder how potential investors would feel about that?
This needs so much more noise! If only some of us were part of major news channels, more shareholders need to know now that reddit is in IPO process. It’ll hurt bad.
Welp! I’m glad I made the switch to Lemmy at least.
Yeah, even if they backtrack on all of this shit, I am done with them. This episode as a whole is a great illustration of the danger of allowing a private business to run one of the biggest spaces for community and discourse in the world.
Same here, no matter what they do now they’ve made it extremely clear what they think about their users, even if something happened tomorrow and the fediverse somehow went down (which would be a feat unto itself) I’m never touching reddit again
You and me both. Im still heaving a little trouble figuring out all the fediverse, but it will definitely be better than reddit
@Charcoal8645 @edgerunnergit Basically, the Fediverse is a universe of tech designed to talk and interact with each other. For example, I can interact with you even though I don’t have a Lemmy account, and it works the other way too. ActivityPub connects all of us. I’m also sure interopability will strengthen as these services grow. It isn’t just Mastodon focus migrations happening and this is really great!
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Aye. Good to have a new home in case the old one burns down
“Your users rely on your community for information, support, entertainment, and finding connection with others who have similar interests.”
We do indeed rely on your community for that! And we’ve been doing just fine without Reddit. :)
It looks like the sub is now in restricted mode - is that the doing of the other members of the mod team or is admin trying to control outrage?
The second mod did it. They did not contact me at all so it seems they’re communicating with the admins
Ugh, this is so shitty! On multiple levels! I’m sorry. Guess we’re just being further proven correct in our decision to gtfo.
It’s honestly quite funny. I would have thought piracy is the one sub they wouldn’t care if it’s down.
Reddit: “open up so we can ban you!”
Oh thank God, i first thought that the reddit navy entered Lemmy. i don’t care about what happens on reddit, in fact, i’e be happy if they’d harm it.
But: can’t mods nuke the subreddit history before they’re demoded?
reddit will porobably undelete anything like that anyway
There are two problems with this :
Nuking all this valuable info will waste years and years of people trying to share their knowledge.
Reddit will probably un-delete it.
Lemmy it is, then.
They are afraid. Gold, just means we need to keep working on making this community better. Stronger.
"In analyzing the availability of the immunity offered by Section 230, courts generally apply a three-prong test. A defendant must satisfy each of the three prongs to gain the benefit of the immunity:
3. The information must be “provided by another information content provider”, i.e., the defendant must not be the “information content provider” of the harmful information at issue."
If Reddit the company is now picking and choosing who approves or blocks harmful information, are they an information content provider now? Are they liable if their chosen mods allow harmful content?
No, definitely not. The point of section 230 is to give websites the power to moderate themselves without being open to liability. IIRC previously, you had to choose between 0 moderation and no liability or moderation and liability, leading websites to either go for complete anarchy or extremely aggressive censorship.
This shouldn’t be a surprise… It was only a matter of time after Reddit got taken over by the CCP…
Explain?
I can’t even begin to imagine what the world looks like to you.
1: Funny we were all in here like two days ago saying “they’ll probably be happy to have the piracy sub gone”
2: Any member of the existing mod team that helps them is a fucking scab
3: Everyone else has made a good point about some potential liability issues of reddit the corporation wresting control of the piracy subreddit into their own hands
4: There are so many layers of irony with a corporation saying people need to have access to the community that tells them how to commit copyright infringement and then forcing that information into the open despite what its caretakers wish.
They went easy on you. Some overzealous mod permabanned my entire account for talking about Lemmy. Allegedly against their ‘content guidelines’
Your entire account would have to be admin level wouldn’t it?
Not sure mate. I’ve had a target on my back for the last couple of years I believe. I had a bunch of accounts at one stage for different purposes. I used to post a lot of long-form content: reviews, how-to tech guides etc etc and as a self preservation technique I kept each niche to a seperate account.
Over the last 2 years I had one 11 year old account, one 8 year old account and another few fresher ones perma-banned with no reason given, or just the flimsiest excuse under the sun. I must have really pissed off one of the mods/ admins - they can track you by IP and browser info etc.
Given the size of Reddit, admins don’t check when mods abuse users, I had my 10 yr account with 150K nearly permabanned because of a mod banning me from my own countries sub for posting a non offensive meme on the wrong day.
I wasn’t logged in on a computer, was using Reddit which showed me my local subs by default and the saved login credentials was a different alt.
I was typing a comment reply, realised I wasn’t logged and signed in with the other alt, didn’t realise it wasn’t another local sub and I got suspended Reddit wide for “ban evasion” and nearly lost a decade old major account because a mod in my countries sub abused their position.
I never retaliated, wasn’t rude, didn’t genuinely try to evade the ban and nearly lost a decade of activity.
There are a lot of benefits to the fediverse and I plan on hosting my own personal instance soon.