My case is a variant of that - I used to host on a VPS, but the storage available was extremely expensive for, say, more than 16 GB. Tired of having to trim data literally daily, I went and purchased a home server with all the storage I would need. The problem? My home internet, being residential, is behind CG-NAT (not even a dynamic IP!), and that means renting a (much cheaper) VPS solely to expose my server to the open internet with a static IP.
For exposing your server to the internet, a $10/year 512MB RAM VPS would be more than enough. You can also get VPSes with way more storage for a reasonable price, especially during Black Friday. The VPS I’m hosting Lemmy and Mastodon on has 99GB disk space and is only $33/year, but that was part of a limited sale.
It could be their own cloud. I refer to my VPSes as “the cloud” even though that’s still self-hosting. My “cloud storage” would just be a 10TB storage VPS I’ve got.
I broadly agree that “cloud” has an awful lot of marketing fluff to it, as with many previous buzzwords in information technology.
However, I also think that there was legitimately a shift from a point in time where one got a physical box assigned to them to the point where VPSes started being a thing to something like AWS. A user really did become increasingly-decoupled from the actual physical hardware.
With a physical server, I care about the actual physical aspects of the machine.
With a VPS, I still have “a VPS”. It’s virtualized, yeah, but I don’t normally deal with them dynamically.
With something like AWS, I’m thinking more in terms of spinning up and spinning down instances when needed.
I think that it’s reasonable to want to describe that increasing abstraction in some way.
Is it a fundamental game-changer? In general, I don’t think so. But was there a shift? Yeah, I think so.
And there might legitimately be some companies for which that is a game-changer, where the cost-efficiencies of being able to scale up dynamically to handle peak load on a service are so important that it permits their service to be viable at all.
That part of this comic really stuck out like a sore thumb. I can’t tell if it’s an oversight, a comment about the challenges of self-hosting, or subtle mockery of self-hosting hypocrisy.
Broadly, “the cloud” is just someone else’s computer. VPSes still fall into that definition. A lot of VPS providers describe themselves as “cloud” now too (eg one of the main hosts I use, HostHatch, describes themselves that way on their site).
If a single AWS EC2 or Lightsail server (which is essentially just a VPS in one region) is considered to be “in the cloud”, why not a much cheaper, more powerful server with a different provider?
Love it. . IMO opinion self hosted instances are the coolest thing about federated social media and it’s part of how we will take back the internet from the corporations that have captured it.
I hate googling things and just being lead back to reddit… Where my account was permabanned for “Report Abuse”, something literally not even discussed in their TOS
And they’re not every clear on if I’m allowed to use an alternate account, they just said “If you go onto another account and continue this misbehavior it’ll be banned”, which sounds like I’m allowed to use an alt, but… only if it plays by the rules, but else where I’m seeing that “Ban Evasion” is against the rules, so which is it Jim Jam?
I genuinely think Reddit might be the worst social media site just cause of the egregious amount of echo chambering. And I’m not even talking about only one side of the political spectrum is on the site, it’s sub-dependent. If you don’t fully agree with anything in a community you run the risk of the ban hammer at the very least in the community and possibly even site-wide. Every single community (and apparently Reddit) has at least one rule that’s vague enough for them to justify removing posts/banning people they don’t like with it. And even worse, everyone on the site thinks they’re the epitome of intelligence cause they’ve been in their circlejerk forever.
@midas10@HawlSera this is the reason I got rid of reddit long before last chaos. It was like everyone tried to send message “you could think exactly like us or you are traitor, crazy, human trash and you deserve the worst”. It was too exhausting for me.
I hate googling things and just being lead back to reddit
This is so far my biggest problem med Lemmy and federation in general, all content is not in one place. It was nice just searching for problem x reddit and you found a solution 9/10 times (because you had everything in one place).
Their stance is that you personally are banned for life from subs regardless of which account. Would be a real shame if your IP got changed between accounts, your cookies and local storage got cleared, and you never mentioned the old account again. You could accidentally post in a sub you got banned from, and they wouldn’t be able to helpfully re-ban you from the sub!
If you were still trying to spend time on reddit in the first place at least.
That’s what my “friend” did. Reddit banned every account he used on his phone at once, but with a different IP, desktop browser, and cookie isolation, they haven’t noticed so far. He might sound like some professional troll, but he was actually banned for a stupid reason.
I’ve been self-hosting Mastodon for a while and mostly using it to share bird photography, but also to provide comments on a static site. Since Mastodon and Lemmy both speak ActivityPub, those get crossposted to /c/flashlight so Lemmy comments are also included on my site. Federation is cool.
I don’t follow many accounts that post Fediverse meta stuff on Mastodon. While I have some interest in the best examples of that content, the only way to attract a broader community is to promote accounts and content appealing to the interests of that broader audience.
This sounds complicated, but it’s pretty standard practice and probably a matter of minutes to set up if you have self-hosted other services before. What takes more time is the stuff that’s not standard, like ominous configuration options.
Very easy to set up and almost no work to maintain*
If you, despite knowing better, rarely update your containers and host OS and often think about a list of other important tasks that you have yet to do.
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It’s always fun when my Nextcloud server crashes and I lose calendar sync
Or when I use my server through a VPN and fail2ban bans me
insert Thanos stone meme.
We self host an instance to share knowledge about self-hosting that instance.
We must self host an instance to discuss self hosting instances to discuss self hosting the instance.
Reminds me of early days of Linux.
You should ditch windows and switch to Linux! It has everything!
What I can I do on it?
You can compile your own kernel!
…
Most self hosting isn’t even needed but it sure as hell is satisfying
Is anything we do even needed?
Maybe let’s not suggest that all self-hosting is just container-bros and related struggles?
…… am i a container bro?
Wow, gate keeping self hosting. I guess there’s one in every community.
Now I have to self host mastodon to join the party 🥳
My case is a variant of that - I used to host on a VPS, but the storage available was extremely expensive for, say, more than 16 GB. Tired of having to trim data literally daily, I went and purchased a home server with all the storage I would need. The problem? My home internet, being residential, is behind CG-NAT (not even a dynamic IP!), and that means renting a (much cheaper) VPS solely to expose my server to the open internet with a static IP.
For exposing your server to the internet, a $10/year 512MB RAM VPS would be more than enough. You can also get VPSes with way more storage for a reasonable price, especially during Black Friday. The VPS I’m hosting Lemmy and Mastodon on has 99GB disk space and is only $33/year, but that was part of a limited sale.
You want to talk about it?
Don’t threaten me with a good time
It could be their own cloud. I refer to my VPSes as “the cloud” even though that’s still self-hosting. My “cloud storage” would just be a 10TB storage VPS I’ve got.
I don’t like the use of the word cloud, makes it sound like some mystical virtual environment in the sky that anyone can use and it just works.
It’s someone else’s computer, nothing more
I broadly agree that “cloud” has an awful lot of marketing fluff to it, as with many previous buzzwords in information technology.
However, I also think that there was legitimately a shift from a point in time where one got a physical box assigned to them to the point where VPSes started being a thing to something like AWS. A user really did become increasingly-decoupled from the actual physical hardware.
With a physical server, I care about the actual physical aspects of the machine.
With a VPS, I still have “a VPS”. It’s virtualized, yeah, but I don’t normally deal with them dynamically.
With something like AWS, I’m thinking more in terms of spinning up and spinning down instances when needed.
I think that it’s reasonable to want to describe that increasing abstraction in some way.
Is it a fundamental game-changer? In general, I don’t think so. But was there a shift? Yeah, I think so.
And there might legitimately be some companies for which that is a game-changer, where the cost-efficiencies of being able to scale up dynamically to handle peak load on a service are so important that it permits their service to be viable at all.
No one else uses the term “cloud” like that.
That part of this comic really stuck out like a sore thumb. I can’t tell if it’s an oversight, a comment about the challenges of self-hosting, or subtle mockery of self-hosting hypocrisy.
I use “my personal cloud” all the time. But that’s just me.
I got another one. Self hosted but tunneled through cloudflare
Broadly, “the cloud” is just someone else’s computer. VPSes still fall into that definition. A lot of VPS providers describe themselves as “cloud” now too (eg one of the main hosts I use, HostHatch, describes themselves that way on their site).
If a single AWS EC2 or Lightsail server (which is essentially just a VPS in one region) is considered to be “in the cloud”, why not a much cheaper, more powerful server with a different provider?
Nextcloud can be selfhosted
My interpretation of “cloud provided media storage” in the context of self-hosting is something like seaweedfs.
Asking for a friend, where do you get a 10TB VPS and how much does it cost?
This counts as discussion of self-hosting.
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Love it. . IMO opinion self hosted instances are the coolest thing about federated social media and it’s part of how we will take back the internet from the corporations that have captured it.
You know what ‘IMO’ is an acronym for, right?
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In My Own opinion, lmao ass off.
SMH my head
Wow…you really believe this?
Only one way to find out!
I hate googling things and just being lead back to reddit… Where my account was permabanned for “Report Abuse”, something literally not even discussed in their TOS
And they’re not every clear on if I’m allowed to use an alternate account, they just said “If you go onto another account and continue this misbehavior it’ll be banned”, which sounds like I’m allowed to use an alt, but… only if it plays by the rules, but else where I’m seeing that “Ban Evasion” is against the rules, so which is it Jim Jam?
I genuinely think Reddit might be the worst social media site just cause of the egregious amount of echo chambering. And I’m not even talking about only one side of the political spectrum is on the site, it’s sub-dependent. If you don’t fully agree with anything in a community you run the risk of the ban hammer at the very least in the community and possibly even site-wide. Every single community (and apparently Reddit) has at least one rule that’s vague enough for them to justify removing posts/banning people they don’t like with it. And even worse, everyone on the site thinks they’re the epitome of intelligence cause they’ve been in their circlejerk forever.
tbf I feel like lemmy also has a lot of echo chambering, it’s literally 70% tech nerds and nearly everyone is atheist
The kind of people who mistake their own ass for an air freshener.
@midas10 @HawlSera this is the reason I got rid of reddit long before last chaos. It was like everyone tried to send message “you could think exactly like us or you are traitor, crazy, human trash and you deserve the worst”. It was too exhausting for me.
This is so far my biggest problem med Lemmy and federation in general, all content is not in one place. It was nice just searching for problem x reddit and you found a solution 9/10 times (because you had everything in one place).
That and the Specific Fandoms aren’t here, no FNAF, no Sonic, no Taco Bill, no Mudkips, nothing
Make them
Their stance is that you personally are banned for life from subs regardless of which account. Would be a real shame if your IP got changed between accounts, your cookies and local storage got cleared, and you never mentioned the old account again. You could accidentally post in a sub you got banned from, and they wouldn’t be able to helpfully re-ban you from the sub!
If you were still trying to spend time on reddit in the first place at least.
huh
That’s what my “friend” did. Reddit banned every account he used on his phone at once, but with a different IP, desktop browser, and cookie isolation, they haven’t noticed so far. He might sound like some professional troll, but he was actually banned for a stupid reason.
Hey why the personal attack.
Collateral damage can’t always be avoided.
I should docker a Mastodon instance behind my reverse proxy asap!
I think you a word.
Sorry there’s a Mastodon subreddit? If it’s purpose isn’t nearly exclusively to redirect people to Mastodon then what are we doin lol
I’m enjoying my weekend, how about you?
I don’t host a Mastodon but I can feel this.
I’ve been self-hosting Mastodon for a while and mostly using it to share bird photography, but also to provide comments on a static site. Since Mastodon and Lemmy both speak ActivityPub, those get crossposted to /c/flashlight so Lemmy comments are also included on my site. Federation is cool.
I don’t follow many accounts that post Fediverse meta stuff on Mastodon. While I have some interest in the best examples of that content, the only way to attract a broader community is to promote accounts and content appealing to the interests of that broader audience.
Mmmmmmmm Emisar… I picked up the DT8 recently and it’s absolutely hilarious. I love it so much.
Wow, that comments section is really nice! How did you implement it? Does the site also use ActivityPub and subscribe to the thread?
It uses the Mastodon API in a client-side script adapted from this one.
Accurate. We care about privacy and quality. A rare breed.
This sounds complicated, but it’s pretty standard practice and probably a matter of minutes to set up if you have self-hosted other services before. What takes more time is the stuff that’s not standard, like ominous configuration options.
Very easy to set up and almost no work to maintain*
If you, despite knowing better, rarely update your containers and host OS and often think about a list of other important tasks that you have yet to do.