Aaaand this is what we were afraid would happen. Hamas doesn’t care about the civilians of Gaza. It is such a horrible organization, there are no words to express it.
Hamas denies aid to civilians: “it’s so horrible, no words to express it”
Israel denies aid to civilians: “this is just what has to happen, no way around it”
Food and water don’t power weapons, and it’s illegal to use denial of food and water as a weapon of war anyways.
Anyone who claims to care about Palestinian civilians should be demanding the restrictions on supplies be lifted, because the restrictions clearly aren’t working anyways.
The dirty truth is, Hamas is made of civilians, just not the starving babies ones.
It’s made of guys like a father who one day got a phone call from the IDF telling him to surrender or get killed, so he decided to publish a video holding an AK, laughing and telling Israel to go and try. Next week he was dead, along with several members of his family.
When you hear news like “Israel bombed a building just as a bunch of refugees took shelter in it”… yes, those were civilians; there also likely were Hamas among them, and at this point it’s anyone’s guess whether it was 10% or 90% of them.
They’re civilians willing to risk their own families, and definitely everyone else’s families too.
IDF are the military. It’s more like “imagine the FSB calling you and telling you to turn yourself in, mocking them publicly, then getting surprised at finding Polonium in the soup”.
The IDF are terrorists who target civilians with vague claims, that they do not allow anyone to review, that their bombs are totally definitely absolutely hitting Hamas and not just civilians.
But also, police are just the internal enforcers of a government’s power. And Israel exerts de facto control over the West Bank and Gaza, so it’s perfectly accurate to call the IDF’s actions there ‘policing’.
That’s what I said; when they get hired by an internationally fearedrecognized country, you call it “the military”.
Otherwise, Israel has officially left Gaza in 2005, mostly use the IDF in non-settled areas of the West Bank, with the Israeli Police elsewhere… and no, doing like the US Police does, is not a good example of “policing”.
Don’t lower the bar. Police are the people in charge of solving neighborly disputes as peacefully as possible, anything else is a lie.
No, police are the enforcers of state power. States are bad. Police are bad.
Community defense groups are not “police”, and “solving neighborly disputes” does not require authority figures to get involved outside of adjudication, which police and/or community defense groups cannot and do not do; that’s what courts are for.
Asked about the supposed trickle of aid coming into Gaza, the woman, says there is plenty of aid
This is problematic. We all know how much aid is getting through because the humanitarian NGOs are fighting for every inch of it and credible news agencies are reporting on it.
So right off the bat she’s made a claim that’s easily disproved. I’ve no doubt she believes what she’s saying, but she’s not a reliable witness.
This is a bit like if a news agency interviewed my dad’s Q-anon friend.
Israel’s entire claim was that this resource starvation that they enacted HAD to be done this way in order to prevent Hamas from taking the supplies, but then they turn around and say their own justification was wrong?
Okay, seems like they are making the case for lifting restrictions on aid, since the restrictions aren’t working anyways.
Because unless they are just finally admitting that Israel intends to genocide the Palestinian civilians, essential supplies HAVE to go to Gaza.
Israel is making it up as they go along, with whatever was true yesterday being irrelevant. Similar strategy as Trump. It works because there are many people who want to believe what Israel says for a variety of reasons.
Are you under the impression that the Palestinians invaded Israeli lands in 1948, killing thousands of them? Or that it’s Palestinians who put Israelis in an open-air prison and deny them essential supplies? Or that it’s Palestinians who regularly form mobs to run Israelis out of their homes before bulldozing them to build new settlements?
Yes, that is the invasion by Israel to which I am referring. Or are you conflating “Palestinians” and “Arabs”, and trying to make some gotcha about other Arab states trying to intervene in what Israel was doing to the Palestinians? The Palestinians in Palestine weren’t invading anyone, they were defending their land.
I’m not conflating anything. Just posting well-sourced and unbiased, objective historical record. Kind of odd how riled up that made you… (Remember, you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.)
Frankly I’m not really interested in your interpretation of that history, especially since you don’t seem to have a very good or nuanced grasp of it in the first place. There are plenty of smart, informed and qualified people who have written on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. No offense but I’ll probably check out what they have to say before I check in with you.
Nothing in those links you provided said that Palestinians invaded Israel, so I’m not sure what relevance they have to the statement of mine that you quoted, unless, as I said, you are conflating the other Arab states which did invade Israel in an attempt to help Palestinians.
But go off, fam.
Also, what part of my comment struck you as ‘riled up’?
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All the aid that Isreal lets through, which is almost nothing.
Aaaand this is what we were afraid would happen. Hamas doesn’t care about the civilians of Gaza. It is such a horrible organization, there are no words to express it.
Hamas denies aid to civilians: “it’s so horrible, no words to express it”
Israel denies aid to civilians: “this is just what has to happen, no way around it”
Food and water don’t power weapons, and it’s illegal to use denial of food and water as a weapon of war anyways.
Anyone who claims to care about Palestinian civilians should be demanding the restrictions on supplies be lifted, because the restrictions clearly aren’t working anyways.
The dirty truth is, Hamas is made of civilians, just not the starving babies ones.
It’s made of guys like a father who one day got a phone call from the IDF telling him to surrender or get killed, so he decided to publish a video holding an AK, laughing and telling Israel to go and try. Next week he was dead, along with several members of his family.
When you hear news like “Israel bombed a building just as a bunch of refugees took shelter in it”… yes, those were civilians; there also likely were Hamas among them, and at this point it’s anyone’s guess whether it was 10% or 90% of them.
They’re civilians willing to risk their own families, and definitely everyone else’s families too.
Imagine the police calling you and telling you to turn yourself in, and then bombing your family if you don’t.
Seems like the police are the bad guys in that scenario.
IDF are the military. It’s more like “imagine the FSB calling you and telling you to turn yourself in, mocking them publicly, then getting surprised at finding Polonium in the soup”.
They’re not there to be the nice guys.
The IDF are terrorists who target civilians with vague claims, that they do not allow anyone to review, that their bombs are totally definitely absolutely hitting Hamas and not just civilians.
But also, police are just the internal enforcers of a government’s power. And Israel exerts de facto control over the West Bank and Gaza, so it’s perfectly accurate to call the IDF’s actions there ‘policing’.
That’s what I said; when they get hired by an internationally
fearedrecognized country, you call it “the military”.Otherwise, Israel has officially left Gaza in 2005, mostly use the IDF in non-settled areas of the West Bank, with the Israeli Police elsewhere… and no, doing like the US Police does, is not a good example of “policing”.
Don’t lower the bar. Police are the people in charge of solving neighborly disputes as peacefully as possible, anything else is a lie.
No, police are the enforcers of state power. States are bad. Police are bad.
Community defense groups are not “police”, and “solving neighborly disputes” does not require authority figures to get involved outside of adjudication, which police and/or community defense groups cannot and do not do; that’s what courts are for.
American cops have literally done that before.
Yep, supremacists gonna supremacy.
If you want to get right down to it, technically everyone in Palestine is a civilian, since they have been de-militarized by Israel.
This is problematic. We all know how much aid is getting through because the humanitarian NGOs are fighting for every inch of it and credible news agencies are reporting on it.
So right off the bat she’s made a claim that’s easily disproved. I’ve no doubt she believes what she’s saying, but she’s not a reliable witness.
This is a bit like if a news agency interviewed my dad’s Q-anon friend.
Israel’s entire claim was that this resource starvation that they enacted HAD to be done this way in order to prevent Hamas from taking the supplies, but then they turn around and say their own justification was wrong?
Okay, seems like they are making the case for lifting restrictions on aid, since the restrictions aren’t working anyways.
Because unless they are just finally admitting that Israel intends to genocide the Palestinian civilians, essential supplies HAVE to go to Gaza.
Israel is making it up as they go along, with whatever was true yesterday being irrelevant. Similar strategy as Trump. It works because there are many people who want to believe what Israel says for a variety of reasons.
Also why bibi wants trump back so it’s even easier to get stuff from the usa
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What does that have anything to do with what I said? Did you mean to reply to someone else?
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Israel could always stop chucking bombs at civilians, then they wouldn’t need aid.
If you don’t want Israel lobbing bombs at you, then maybe you should stop lobbing bombs at Israel first.
Are you under the impression that the Palestinians invaded Israeli lands in 1948, killing thousands of them? Or that it’s Palestinians who put Israelis in an open-air prison and deny them essential supplies? Or that it’s Palestinians who regularly form mobs to run Israelis out of their homes before bulldozing them to build new settlements?
Because if so, your comment would make sense.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Holy_War
Yes, that is the invasion by Israel to which I am referring. Or are you conflating “Palestinians” and “Arabs”, and trying to make some gotcha about other Arab states trying to intervene in what Israel was doing to the Palestinians? The Palestinians in Palestine weren’t invading anyone, they were defending their land.
I’m not conflating anything. Just posting well-sourced and unbiased, objective historical record. Kind of odd how riled up that made you… (Remember, you’re entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.)
Frankly I’m not really interested in your interpretation of that history, especially since you don’t seem to have a very good or nuanced grasp of it in the first place. There are plenty of smart, informed and qualified people who have written on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. No offense but I’ll probably check out what they have to say before I check in with you.
Anyway, have a good one!
Nothing in those links you provided said that Palestinians invaded Israel, so I’m not sure what relevance they have to the statement of mine that you quoted, unless, as I said, you are conflating the other Arab states which did invade Israel in an attempt to help Palestinians.
But go off, fam.
Also, what part of my comment struck you as ‘riled up’?
What an asinine comment that displays a complete lack of understanding of the history of the situation.
The more I hear about the israel-palestine conflict, the more it looks like an inextricable mess.
Thanks Britain!
It is. There are exactly zero mutually acceptable scenarios.
There are no good guys in this one.
There probably are good persons amongst civilians, but not amongst current leaders.