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Russians citizen are not equal to Russian government. They are just people.
I know. I love Russians. I wish Oleg Strizhenov, Bradshaw and Aleksandr Dulerayn, Anna Melikian, and the gals from Pussy Riot all the best. May their government cease being made up of Mafiya members The West recognized in the early 90s as soon as possible.
I objected to the device being produced in (and hence paying taxes to) The Russian Federation, not being made by Russians.
But yes, really, you are doing a lot of grandstanding on how you love Russians, apparently so much that you’d leave them to rot just because they have to interact with their own society in order to subsist.
I don’t know, I’m American, I can’t really eat if I don’t indirectly pay money to the largest neo-imperialist empire in the world (who is currently funding a genocide btw).
There is no ethical consumption. You either consume unethically or you die.
You could. Food is there for stealing. Land is there for growing on. People might shoot at you for trying, but you could.
I assume you’re speaking in jest?
There is no ethical consumption.
I’m pretty sure that phrase isn’t actually a call to apathy.
Not attempting to make a call to apathy. On the contrary, I just reject the idea that what you buy from who is leading to any material improvement in society. I think there are much better ways to push for positive change. Like sure, don’t buy the thing, but don’t fool yourself into thinking you’ve made a difference. Helping your community/mutual-aid, direct action, these are the sorts of things that I think go a lot further towards resulting in positive material changes.
On the contrary, I just reject the idea that what you buy from who is leading to any material improvement in society. I think there are much better ways to push for positive change.
My abstention was based in not contributing to negative change.
Every government is partially founded by taxes, are you suggesting we should avoid economical transactions with every citizen of a state you disapprove?
Or is it just a Russian thing?
I don’t disagree with that principle.
I disagree with the idea that “buy something from a company that will eventually pay some taxes to a country” can be considered “provide funding” to that country government.
You don’t think money going to a country …is money …which goes to that country?
If I bought something for €40 off some guy who pays their nation 2.5% tax on the transaction is that €1 paid not a Euro the nation would not have had I declined to make the purchase?
Come on, you understand what I mean.
I’m just saying that I personally feel wrong to drow the line at that when looking for boycotting criteria.
I despise lots of government and I refuse to support, partake and work in anything involved directly with such government or strongly affiliated company. I think it’s important to remember than people are not their government and that especially citizens of bad government need to see this kind of comprehension.
It’s ok if you disagree, it’s a complicated matter. Noone know the one true truth.
I don’t. I don’t support what the Russian government is doing and I want to provide a little funding towards the endeavors of which I do not approve as possible.
An amount that is not ₽0 would appear to enter Russian coffers if I buy this product, and it is possible to provide “< not 0” by not buying it.
people are not their government
Which is why I wouldn’t have a moral problem with buying this product if I knew for a fact the producers were cheating on their taxes.
One thing is boycotting a company because you don’t support how it operates or their moral position. Another thing is boycotting a company just for the sole fact that it’s based in a country that makes political decision you disagree with. It’s just geography, not a solid criteria for boycotting something IMHO.
Uh no. It’s helping to support the country as well. It puts pressure on individuals and corporations to also push their local/state government to adjust their policy as well.
If you don’t want to support slavery you can absolutely choose to not buy from countries that use slave labor at parts of the supply chain.
Suggesting that it’s just a location based boycott is disingenuous to the conversation of it being about countries that you as a buyer are supporting. I’m not saying I don’t buy products from people who live in swamps or wetlands, but from a country that is engaged in politcal issues that are quite major in scope.
If you want to excuse it away and embrace that opinion, that it’s fine cause it just is a location, fine. Your desire to buy is able to let you ignore the moral dissonance; and it’s what humans do best, ignoring reality because they want something; but, it doesn’t make you any less in the minority on this.
I was elaborating my answer, but honestly I don’t think you deserve more of my time.
You are way to aggressive and judgmental.
I don’t think to be right, and I honestly don’t have any strong opinion on a matter like this. I was just finding interesting to discuss about a position that I was finding too extreme.
So playing devil’s advocate for a scenario you don’t care about and didn’t put any thought towards as a game to entertain yourself while it has impacts on the real world?
You choose to redefine a boycott because of a thought experiment you didn’t even want to deal with people having a differing opinion on? How incredibly lazy and centrist pointed for no reason other than ignore nuance and reality.
Have a good one, person who ignores issues because it is more fun to just not have an actual opinion on and play the middle like it does anything.
Agree to disagree, I suppose. You will ends up condamning people for their government decision, which sounds problematic to me (especially considering the low agency they could have in such decisionmaking).
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Dude wtf. Russians citizen are not equal to Russian government. They are just people.
I know. I love Russians. I wish Oleg Strizhenov, Bradshaw and Aleksandr Dulerayn, Anna Melikian, and the gals from Pussy Riot all the best. May their government cease being made up of Mafiya members The West recognized in the early 90s as soon as possible.
I objected to the device being produced in (and hence paying taxes to) The Russian Federation, not being made by Russians.
I love Russians.
You sure don’t support them enough for how much you speak of how you love them.
Or maybe you mean you love , like love, them?
Are you asking if I would fuck a Russian? 🤨
If the shoe fits…
But yes, really, you are doing a lot of grandstanding on how you love Russians, apparently so much that you’d leave them to rot just because they have to interact with their own society in order to subsist.
Just like, you know, everyone else.
Are…you asking if I’d fuck a shoe?
I don’t know, I’m American, I can’t really eat if I don’t indirectly pay money to the largest neo-imperialist empire in the world (who is currently funding a genocide btw).
There is no ethical consumption. You either consume unethically or you die.
You could. Food is there for stealing. Land is there for growing on. People might shoot at you for trying, but you could.
I’m pretty sure that phrase isn’t actually a call to apathy.
I assume you’re speaking in jest?
Not attempting to make a call to apathy. On the contrary, I just reject the idea that what you buy from who is leading to any material improvement in society. I think there are much better ways to push for positive change. Like sure, don’t buy the thing, but don’t fool yourself into thinking you’ve made a difference. Helping your community/mutual-aid, direct action, these are the sorts of things that I think go a lot further towards resulting in positive material changes.
You know what they say about assuming.
My abstention was based in not contributing to negative change.
And said government will be funded by it.
Every government is partially founded by taxes, are you suggesting we should avoid economical transactions with every citizen of a state you disapprove? Or is it just a Russian thing?
Over the table, yes I am.
I would like to provide as little funding toward the expansion of territory in which transitioning gender presentation is a crime as possible.
I don’t disagree with that principle. I disagree with the idea that “buy something from a company that will eventually pay some taxes to a country” can be considered “provide funding” to that country government.
You don’t think money going to a country …is money …which goes to that country?
If I bought something for €40 off some guy who pays their nation 2.5% tax on the transaction is that €1 paid not a Euro the nation would not have had I declined to make the purchase?
Come on, you understand what I mean. I’m just saying that I personally feel wrong to drow the line at that when looking for boycotting criteria.
I despise lots of government and I refuse to support, partake and work in anything involved directly with such government or strongly affiliated company. I think it’s important to remember than people are not their government and that especially citizens of bad government need to see this kind of comprehension.
It’s ok if you disagree, it’s a complicated matter. Noone know the one true truth.
I don’t. I don’t support what the Russian government is doing and I want to provide a little funding towards the endeavors of which I do not approve as possible.
An amount that is not ₽0 would appear to enter Russian coffers if I buy this product, and it is possible to provide “< not 0” by not buying it.
Which is why I wouldn’t have a moral problem with buying this product if I knew for a fact the producers were cheating on their taxes.
That sounds like a boycott which is absolutely a thing. Choosing how to spend your money as a representative from of who you support is nothing new.
One thing is boycotting a company because you don’t support how it operates or their moral position. Another thing is boycotting a company just for the sole fact that it’s based in a country that makes political decision you disagree with. It’s just geography, not a solid criteria for boycotting something IMHO.
Uh no. It’s helping to support the country as well. It puts pressure on individuals and corporations to also push their local/state government to adjust their policy as well.
If you don’t want to support slavery you can absolutely choose to not buy from countries that use slave labor at parts of the supply chain.
Suggesting that it’s just a location based boycott is disingenuous to the conversation of it being about countries that you as a buyer are supporting. I’m not saying I don’t buy products from people who live in swamps or wetlands, but from a country that is engaged in politcal issues that are quite major in scope.
If you want to excuse it away and embrace that opinion, that it’s fine cause it just is a location, fine. Your desire to buy is able to let you ignore the moral dissonance; and it’s what humans do best, ignoring reality because they want something; but, it doesn’t make you any less in the minority on this.
I was elaborating my answer, but honestly I don’t think you deserve more of my time. You are way to aggressive and judgmental.
I don’t think to be right, and I honestly don’t have any strong opinion on a matter like this. I was just finding interesting to discuss about a position that I was finding too extreme.
Have a nice day.
So playing devil’s advocate for a scenario you don’t care about and didn’t put any thought towards as a game to entertain yourself while it has impacts on the real world?
You choose to redefine a boycott because of a thought experiment you didn’t even want to deal with people having a differing opinion on? How incredibly lazy and centrist pointed for no reason other than ignore nuance and reality.
Have a good one, person who ignores issues because it is more fun to just not have an actual opinion on and play the middle like it does anything.
You should when you can.
Agree to disagree, I suppose. You will ends up condamning people for their government decision, which sounds problematic to me (especially considering the low agency they could have in such decisionmaking).