Look I’m decidedly on the fence because of what I perceive as my own ignorance on these topics, but I’m sorry, if the reaction to the lead dev’s link bomb like this is to just dismiss it without rebuttal and take the Western media’s word at face value, then I have to at least entertain the notion that they might not be wrong here.
Manufacturing Consent ingrained a deep skepticism of mainstream media in me that has only served me well for over a decade. It’s not a dismissal of mainstream sources, mind you, but an understanding of their biases and a healthy skepticism and unwillingness to tow the line without my own independent research or the backing of a source I fully trust.
Unfortunately, I find that my anarchist comrades often hold strong opinions on these issues when they have not done any of this research themselves or have only done surface level research at the same level of an average liberal. This again leaves me on the fence until I feel comfortable having an opinion.
In the meantime, the lead devs may have their own ideological views, but they have really not been pushing anything heavily on this platform and have been accommodating. I don’t think the FUD spread over their beliefs helps any of us, and while they may be ML instead of anarchist or liberal, this culture also helps ensure that anti-racism, anti-transphobia, anti-capitalism, and more are cultural staples of the platform and acts as a deterrence to trolls and real, outright fascists from viewing this platform as a place to call home.
A Reddit clone with a leftist, not liberal, culture is one I fully embrace, personally.
just dismiss it without rebuttal and take the Western media’s word at face value
The former is true, the latter very much not so. There’s only so much historical revisionism and selective reading one can take before, indeed, categorising a source as untrustworthy and not worth the bother. Tankies cross that threshold quickly if you know anything about actual USSR history… just as the other side does with their black book.
This “listen to and engage with all sides no matter how dishonest their engagement is” sounds rather lib-pilled to me, TBH.
I don’t think the FUD spread over their beliefs helps any of us, and while they may be ML instead of anarchist or liberal, this culture also helps ensure that anti-racism, anti-transphobia, anti-capitalism,
You cannot be anti-capitalist and simultaneously stan the CCP. Doesn’t compute. Those devs are also deleting threads about things like homophobic laws in Russia – while they’re themselves pro queer rights they also can’t countenance any kind of critique of Russia.
That’s two-faced and intellectually dishonest.
Manufacturing Consent
OMG Noam Chomsky. You know he’s a persona non grata in Europe for his genocide denial? He’s also guilty of that “USA bad therefore anti-USA good” type of thinking, the hard-left kind of American exceptionalism. He should’ve stuck to formal linguistics.
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Look I’m decidedly on the fence because of what I perceive as my own ignorance on these topics, but I’m sorry, if the reaction to the lead dev’s link bomb like this is to just dismiss it without rebuttal and take the Western media’s word at face value, then I have to at least entertain the notion that they might not be wrong here.
Manufacturing Consent ingrained a deep skepticism of mainstream media in me that has only served me well for over a decade. It’s not a dismissal of mainstream sources, mind you, but an understanding of their biases and a healthy skepticism and unwillingness to tow the line without my own independent research or the backing of a source I fully trust.
Unfortunately, I find that my anarchist comrades often hold strong opinions on these issues when they have not done any of this research themselves or have only done surface level research at the same level of an average liberal. This again leaves me on the fence until I feel comfortable having an opinion.
In the meantime, the lead devs may have their own ideological views, but they have really not been pushing anything heavily on this platform and have been accommodating. I don’t think the FUD spread over their beliefs helps any of us, and while they may be ML instead of anarchist or liberal, this culture also helps ensure that anti-racism, anti-transphobia, anti-capitalism, and more are cultural staples of the platform and acts as a deterrence to trolls and real, outright fascists from viewing this platform as a place to call home.
A Reddit clone with a leftist, not liberal, culture is one I fully embrace, personally.
The former is true, the latter very much not so. There’s only so much historical revisionism and selective reading one can take before, indeed, categorising a source as untrustworthy and not worth the bother. Tankies cross that threshold quickly if you know anything about actual USSR history… just as the other side does with their black book.
This “listen to and engage with all sides no matter how dishonest their engagement is” sounds rather lib-pilled to me, TBH.
You cannot be anti-capitalist and simultaneously stan the CCP. Doesn’t compute. Those devs are also deleting threads about things like homophobic laws in Russia – while they’re themselves pro queer rights they also can’t countenance any kind of critique of Russia.
That’s two-faced and intellectually dishonest.
OMG Noam Chomsky. You know he’s a persona non grata in Europe for his genocide denial? He’s also guilty of that “USA bad therefore anti-USA good” type of thinking, the hard-left kind of American exceptionalism. He should’ve stuck to formal linguistics.