I see the accounts that post about 60% “here’s why Biden is bad” articles, and occasional one-off comments about how Biden / “the Dems” are bad, and pretty much not much else, have arrived on Beehaw.
Of the last 12 articles I’ve posted, only 3 could be construed as negative towards Biden. If he doesn’t want shitty publicity, maybe he should stop doing a genocide.
There’s actually a much more accurate fleshing out of analogy that could be made – helping a friend in a violent situation, and enabling them to do violent criminal things but still trying to stop them once it came to the point of killing, and what crime you’d get charged with for that – but that construction would lead in the direction of nuance, so juicy doesn’t want that.
This analysis, I pretty much exactly agree with. That all makes it notable that under Biden they put sanctions on settlers for the first time in history and didn’t veto a security council attempt to reign in Israel for the first time I’m aware of.
Is that enough? No. Does it excuse 5 months of exactly what you’re describing, is it any help to someone whose child starved to death while Biden was gradually coming around in his own time, does it guarantee that anything will happen in the future that isn’t just more of the same grim neoliberal encouragement and funding for the slaughter of the browns? No, no, and no.
Are those still relevant facts, though? Yes. Are you posting all this out of any good well intentioned concern for the well being of the Palestinians, or with consideration of the fact that Trump explicitly wants to go in and finish the genocide instead of this limp-wristed-too-late opposition Biden is giving? That one, only you can answer.
I appreciate you taking the time/effort to do the fact checking on these accounts (here and in other threads). I try when I can, but my time is limited by 10,000 things vying for it.
FWIW, that account is 2 3 weeks old and exists on an instance that has been springing up trolls left and right because it has wide-open registrations.
Just to play Devil’s advocate here… The US takes that approach to guns inside its own borders, expecting that asking nicely is enough to stop people shooting up schools. So it would be kinda hypocritical for the US to hold Israel to different standards. Guns are America’s real religion.
As soon as he’s the one actually doing the genocide, instead of merely continuing long-standing US pro-war-crimes-by-our-allies policy (which, I’ll agree, is pretty much war criminal on his part and his weak little baby steps towards maybe not doing it anymore sometime in the theoretical future are not nearly enough)… then I’ll agree with this statement. As it is, it’s a deliberate distortion.
Of the last 12 articles I’ve posted, only 3 could be construed as negative towards Biden
We could quibble about at what point a story about US policy in general counts as a story about Biden; I gave those ones half a point and arrived at 58% of the stories being criticism of Biden with multiple Hunter Biden stories being the red flag. Others might assign the points differently but it bears mentioning that the next three after that were all heavily and explicitly anti-Biden stories (incl. those two laughably slanted ones about Bidenomics.)
Obviously giving Biden grief over his Gaza policy or anything else is completely legitimate; I actually posted the exact same story you did about the State Dept employee angrily resigning, because it’s important. But equally obviously, there’s a pattern of accounts posting in a very particular way which includes a constant daily drumbeat of more-or-less-subtle anti Biden stories and individual one-off comments like this one without much engagement outside of that, and you’re behaving like one of those accounts, and that’s worth commenting on. No?
You’re seriously upset that I’m posting too many articles critical of US foreign policy while the US funds and arms a genocide? The only pattern you’ll find in my posts is a focus on Gaza. If you’d like to see other content, post it. Lemmy needs all the content it can get.
The US is literally on the precipice of deciding if they should become an authoritarian, fascist, theocracy in the next election. Project 2025 is literally staring us in the face and a Biden loss for 2024 all but ensures the end of our democracy. Is it good at this so called democracy now? Not exactly, but it is sure better than the alternative with Trump.
Yes, I am absolutely angry and upset about the situation in Gaza. It bothers me, but I also realize the realities of our current election situation. There is too much on the line for reproductive rights, Trans rights, minority rights, and so much more. Project 2025 puts us one step closer to Handmaid’s Tale becoming a reality and marginalized individuals being targeted and possibly put to death. Biden and Trump are our options in this sham two party system and yet I realize not voting for Biden is a sure fire way for things to get worse.
So when I and others see a trend of negative post after negative post about Biden, it reads as a social engineering attack to brew apathy to convince people not to vote. This happened in 2016 with Hillary and we were all told not to worry about Trump. Well I loss my own authority over my reproductive freedom, anti-Trans rhetoric rose, and a chunk of our population became convinced BLM was the bad guys. I and others aren’t perfectly happy Biden is the Democratic pick, but him winning a avoids Project 2025 and a GOP Fascist takeover.
What’s the Democrat’s end game with Project 2025? Is it keep voting Democrat or else you get Project 2025? How can we convince the powerful that genocide is bad?
You aren’t seeing a social engineering attack. You’re seeing the same thing that you’ll find on Tik Tok, Instagram, and anywhere else young progressives can be found. People are angry with Biden and for good reason. Sorry, we’re not going to shut up about it. We understand that there is a lot at stake in this election. But nothing can justify looking the other way while genocide is being committed.
I truly wish Biden would take your concerns seriously enough to stop alienating a huge portion of his base with his actions.
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I see the accounts that post about 60% “here’s why Biden is bad” articles, and occasional one-off comments about how Biden / “the Dems” are bad, and pretty much not much else, have arrived on Beehaw.
Of the last 12 articles I’ve posted, only 3 could be construed as negative towards Biden. If he doesn’t want shitty publicity, maybe he should stop doing a genocide.
Last I checked, Biden wasn’t the PM of the country doing that.
If you supply someone with a weapon that you know will be used to kill their spouse, you will be charged with murder.
Unsurprisingly, this isn’t true.
There’s actually a much more accurate fleshing out of analogy that could be made – helping a friend in a violent situation, and enabling them to do violent criminal things but still trying to stop them once it came to the point of killing, and what crime you’d get charged with for that – but that construction would lead in the direction of nuance, so juicy doesn’t want that.
US: Here’s a bullet. Please don’t use it to kill a child.
Israel: I’ll do what I want.
Israel shoots a toddler.
US: Oh, why’d you do that?! Here’s another bullet. This time, please only use it for legitimate self-defence.
Israel: That was self-defence.
Israel shoots a baby
Bystander: Stop that!
US: (to bystander) Mind your own business. (to Israel) Here’s another bullet. Now please, no more kids.
Israel shoots pregnant mother
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Is that nuanced enough for you?
This analysis, I pretty much exactly agree with. That all makes it notable that under Biden they put sanctions on settlers for the first time in history and didn’t veto a security council attempt to reign in Israel for the first time I’m aware of.
Is that enough? No. Does it excuse 5 months of exactly what you’re describing, is it any help to someone whose child starved to death while Biden was gradually coming around in his own time, does it guarantee that anything will happen in the future that isn’t just more of the same grim neoliberal encouragement and funding for the slaughter of the browns? No, no, and no.
Are those still relevant facts, though? Yes. Are you posting all this out of any good well intentioned concern for the well being of the Palestinians, or with consideration of the fact that Trump explicitly wants to go in and finish the genocide instead of this limp-wristed-too-late opposition Biden is giving? That one, only you can answer.
I appreciate you taking the time/effort to do the fact checking on these accounts (here and in other threads). I try when I can, but my time is limited by 10,000 things vying for it.
FWIW, that account is
23 weeks old and exists on an instance that has been springing up trolls left and right because it has wide-open registrations.Just to play Devil’s advocate here… The US takes that approach to guns inside its own borders, expecting that asking nicely is enough to stop people shooting up schools. So it would be kinda hypocritical for the US to hold Israel to different standards. Guns are America’s real religion.
As soon as he’s the one actually doing the genocide, instead of merely continuing long-standing US pro-war-crimes-by-our-allies policy (which, I’ll agree, is pretty much war criminal on his part and his weak little baby steps towards maybe not doing it anymore sometime in the theoretical future are not nearly enough)… then I’ll agree with this statement. As it is, it’s a deliberate distortion.
Not true.
We could quibble about at what point a story about US policy in general counts as a story about Biden; I gave those ones half a point and arrived at 58% of the stories being criticism of Biden with multiple Hunter Biden stories being the red flag. Others might assign the points differently but it bears mentioning that the next three after that were all heavily and explicitly anti-Biden stories (incl. those two laughably slanted ones about Bidenomics.)
Obviously giving Biden grief over his Gaza policy or anything else is completely legitimate; I actually posted the exact same story you did about the State Dept employee angrily resigning, because it’s important. But equally obviously, there’s a pattern of accounts posting in a very particular way which includes a constant daily drumbeat of more-or-less-subtle anti Biden stories and individual one-off comments like this one without much engagement outside of that, and you’re behaving like one of those accounts, and that’s worth commenting on. No?
You’re seriously upset that I’m posting too many articles critical of US foreign policy while the US funds and arms a genocide? The only pattern you’ll find in my posts is a focus on Gaza. If you’d like to see other content, post it. Lemmy needs all the content it can get.
The US is literally on the precipice of deciding if they should become an authoritarian, fascist, theocracy in the next election. Project 2025 is literally staring us in the face and a Biden loss for 2024 all but ensures the end of our democracy. Is it good at this so called democracy now? Not exactly, but it is sure better than the alternative with Trump.
Yes, I am absolutely angry and upset about the situation in Gaza. It bothers me, but I also realize the realities of our current election situation. There is too much on the line for reproductive rights, Trans rights, minority rights, and so much more. Project 2025 puts us one step closer to Handmaid’s Tale becoming a reality and marginalized individuals being targeted and possibly put to death. Biden and Trump are our options in this sham two party system and yet I realize not voting for Biden is a sure fire way for things to get worse.
So when I and others see a trend of negative post after negative post about Biden, it reads as a social engineering attack to brew apathy to convince people not to vote. This happened in 2016 with Hillary and we were all told not to worry about Trump. Well I loss my own authority over my reproductive freedom, anti-Trans rhetoric rose, and a chunk of our population became convinced BLM was the bad guys. I and others aren’t perfectly happy Biden is the Democratic pick, but him winning a avoids Project 2025 and a GOP Fascist takeover.
What’s the Democrat’s end game with Project 2025? Is it keep voting Democrat or else you get Project 2025? How can we convince the powerful that genocide is bad?
You aren’t seeing a social engineering attack. You’re seeing the same thing that you’ll find on Tik Tok, Instagram, and anywhere else young progressives can be found. People are angry with Biden and for good reason. Sorry, we’re not going to shut up about it. We understand that there is a lot at stake in this election. But nothing can justify looking the other way while genocide is being committed.
I truly wish Biden would take your concerns seriously enough to stop alienating a huge portion of his base with his actions.
Are you reading my message through some inverted version of those “They Live” sunglasses?
As someone who appreciates your efforts in threads and is old enough to get this reference, I salute you
Haha thanks, call me Rowdy Roddy Piper I guess
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