Today we’re expanding the list of devices that can run Tailscale, bringing secure remote networking to the Apple TV. The newly released tvOS 17 offers support for VPNs, and we’re proud to say Tailscale is among the first to use this new feature. You can now add your Apple TV directly to your tailnet, unlocking three powerful new use cases that we’re excited to share.
I think that’s only if they detect that you’re connected to an IP address that they recognize as part of a commercial VPN service, since i’m sure they have a list.
I use netflix when connected to tailscale VPN on both my phone and apple tv and it works fine, since the exit node that netflix is receiving my connection from isn’t a commercial VPN IP
The bulk of the traffic between two Tailscale nodes is direct between the nodes. They mainly use the Tailscale servers to help them find each other (NAT hole punching) and establish a connection.
You’re kidding! I thought all the traffic went through tailscale. So it’s basically just establishing the connection, then I’m only limited by upload/download speed of the NAS and the client?
Man, that’s great news. Though I may have some extra set up to do because I tried once with a decent internet connection and couldn’t get plex working over tailscale.
It’s going to depend on the devices involved, but I get about 600 megabit or so between two computers over tailscale on my network (really, wireguard). That’s what, 10 HD video streams? Of course, it’s going to depend on device cpu capability and network bandwidth.
On your own network? I’m not sure the reason to use tailscale between computers on the same network, nor if that’s really relevant to the discussion. If tailscale was capable of 600mbps from outside the network then that would be another story
That 600mbps is the throughput of the encryption on those devices. It’s no different crossing networks, but the speed will be limited by the network speed. The benefit of a p2p vpn is that you don’t need to shut it off when you join the same network. The devices remain accessible at the same ip whether they are on the same network, or if one is somewhere else. The overhead is negligible and you gain the security isolation that would normally require subnets and a firewall.
In the end, yes, I can stream HD video just fine from another network. For most people, the limitation will be their home ISP’s uplink speed.
The Apple TV is quietly the best little streaming box. It is very capable, and according to my PiHole it’s far less chatty than my Roku or Android TV devices.
Also, I love Tailscale. I love how this press release reads like it was written by nerds for nerds rather than by writers for investors.
But I can’t imagine apple has any apps that “need” a VPN. Unless your using the VPN solely because you want all your data hidden.
Vpns are kinda moot anyway in terms of personal security. If anyone wants to see your shit they can install something on your telephone pole that can supercede a VPN anyway. Gangs use stuff like that. It’s fucked up but I’ve seen people use that shit to fuck up lives. Humanity sucks.
If anyone wants to see your shit they can install something on your telephone pole that can supercede a VPN anyway.
False.
My WireGuard VPN uses pre-verified encryption keys and all data between the nodes is encrypted with them.
Nothing (whether put there by the cell carrier, public wifi provider, or some gang member who climbed the telephone pole) can decrypt that communication except the devices which already have the keys.
I’m not sure what makes you think VPN security is moot, but you are misinformed.
Using a VPN is always more secure than not using one, particularly if you control the server on the other end.
The only time a VPN wouldn’t help is if your device itself is compromised at which point you have other problems than a VPN anyway
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Are there used for this outside of video streaming? Ive found Tailscale too slow for decent quality video streaming myself
yeah I’m not sure what the point of this is tbh.
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Have we figured out if this solves the Netflix password sharing limitation yet?
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I think that’s only if they detect that you’re connected to an IP address that they recognize as part of a commercial VPN service, since i’m sure they have a list.
I use netflix when connected to tailscale VPN on both my phone and apple tv and it works fine, since the exit node that netflix is receiving my connection from isn’t a commercial VPN IP
I’m surprised any VPN would be strong enough for streaming video of anything other than potato quality
The bulk of the traffic between two Tailscale nodes is direct between the nodes. They mainly use the Tailscale servers to help them find each other (NAT hole punching) and establish a connection.
You’re kidding! I thought all the traffic went through tailscale. So it’s basically just establishing the connection, then I’m only limited by upload/download speed of the NAS and the client?
Usually yes! There will be some minor overhead from both nodes keeping in touch with the Tailscale command server but mostly they talk to each other.
Read this though to see if there’s a case where direct connection might not be possible: https://tailscale.com/kb/1181/firewalls/
Man, that’s great news. Though I may have some extra set up to do because I tried once with a decent internet connection and couldn’t get plex working over tailscale.
It’s going to depend on the devices involved, but I get about 600 megabit or so between two computers over tailscale on my network (really, wireguard). That’s what, 10 HD video streams? Of course, it’s going to depend on device cpu capability and network bandwidth.
On your own network? I’m not sure the reason to use tailscale between computers on the same network, nor if that’s really relevant to the discussion. If tailscale was capable of 600mbps from outside the network then that would be another story
That 600mbps is the throughput of the encryption on those devices. It’s no different crossing networks, but the speed will be limited by the network speed. The benefit of a p2p vpn is that you don’t need to shut it off when you join the same network. The devices remain accessible at the same ip whether they are on the same network, or if one is somewhere else. The overhead is negligible and you gain the security isolation that would normally require subnets and a firewall.
In the end, yes, I can stream HD video just fine from another network. For most people, the limitation will be their home ISP’s uplink speed.
The Apple TV is quietly the best little streaming box. It is very capable, and according to my PiHole it’s far less chatty than my Roku or Android TV devices.
Also, I love Tailscale. I love how this press release reads like it was written by nerds for nerds rather than by writers for investors.
Have you managed to avoid ads on YouTube? Does it work well for streaming games from a PC?
I have a YouTube Premium family plan. We use it so much that it’s easy for us to justify.
The Steam Link app is exceptional. the Apple TV natively supports Xbox and PlayStation controllers so it all works pretty seamlessly.
VPN but do they allow useful apps?
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I have an iPad but use android for phones.
But I can’t imagine apple has any apps that “need” a VPN. Unless your using the VPN solely because you want all your data hidden.
Vpns are kinda moot anyway in terms of personal security. If anyone wants to see your shit they can install something on your telephone pole that can supercede a VPN anyway. Gangs use stuff like that. It’s fucked up but I’ve seen people use that shit to fuck up lives. Humanity sucks.
False.
My WireGuard VPN uses pre-verified encryption keys and all data between the nodes is encrypted with them.
Nothing (whether put there by the cell carrier, public wifi provider, or some gang member who climbed the telephone pole) can decrypt that communication except the devices which already have the keys.
I’m not sure what makes you think VPN security is moot, but you are misinformed.
Using a VPN is always more secure than not using one, particularly if you control the server on the other end.
The only time a VPN wouldn’t help is if your device itself is compromised at which point you have other problems than a VPN anyway
This is just great! Tailscale is doing ALL the right things it seems. So happy to try this out