I have recently repurposed and old Hp Stream to a home server and successfully run Immich. I really like it and even a small 500GB disk is way more than the 15GB Google offers.
My issue though is about backup. I would only be comfortable if all the data is backed up in an off-site server (cloud).
But the back up storage will probably cost as much as paying for a service like ente or similar, directly replacing Google photo.
What am I missing? Where do you store your backup?
Backblaze B2 is 6$ a month for 1TB and first 10GB is free. You pay proportionally (it cost me 2-3$ for last 7-8 months for 20-150 GB that accumulated over time). Keep in mind that you will spend more if you download backup, but you should use cloud backup as last resort anyway. I backup to 2nd local disk and also to B2 daily with Kopia. Didnt need backup fortunately, downloading from B2 small files ocasionally just for testing setup
Its not just cheaper, I love it because I dont have to deal with Gshit company
I have my Immich library backed up to Backblaze B2 via Duplicacy. That job runs nightly. I also have a secondary sync to Nextcloud running on another server. That said, I need another off prem backup and will likely run a monthly job to my parents house either via manually copying to an external disk then taking it over or setting up a Pi or other low power server and a VPN to do it remotely.
I use backblaze on my synology. I backup photos automatically to it with their built in app on my phone, then every night I run encryped backups. I also could setup an encrypted backup to go to my parent’s synology.
My backup is about 900gb and costs <$5/mo. That is my music, pictures, movies, and TV shows. Obviously that will increase, but well worth the nominal coat to have that much backup encrypted and in the cloud.
I do. And since I’ve been slowly taking back control over all my online stuff as much as I can, I’m very happy with it. It gives me peace of mind it’s secure and I am super unlikely to just lose it.
I backup to a external hard disk that I keep in a fireproof and water resistant safe at home. Each service has its own LVM volume which I snapshot and then backup the snapshots with borg, all into one repository. The backup is triggered by a udev rule so it happens automatically when I plug the drive in; the backup script uses ntfy.sh (running locally) to let me know when it is finished so I can put the drive back in the safe. I can share the script later, if anyone is interested.
I followed the guide found here, however with a few modifications.
Notably, I did not encrypt the borg repository, and heavily modified the backup script.
#!/bin/bash -ue
# The udev rule is not terribly accurate and may trigger our service before
# the kernel has finished probing partitions. Sleep for a bit to ensure
# the kernel is done.
#
# This can be avoided by using a more precise udev rule, e.g. matching
# a specific hardware path and partition.
sleep 5
#
# Script configuration
#
# The backup partition is mounted there
MOUNTPOINT=/mnt/external
# This is the location of the Borg repository
TARGET=$MOUNTPOINT/backups/backups.borg
# Archive name schema
DATE=$(date '+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S')-$(hostname)
# This is the file that will later contain UUIDs of registered backup drives
DISKS=/etc/backups/backup.disk
# Find whether the connected block device is a backup drive
for uuid in $(lsblk --noheadings --list --output uuid)
do
if grep --quiet --fixed-strings $uuid $DISKS; then
break
fi
uuid=
done
if [ ! $uuid ]; then
echo "No backup disk found, exiting"
exit 0
fi
echo "Disk $uuid is a backup disk"
partition_path=/dev/disk/by-uuid/$uuid
# Mount file system if not already done. This assumes that if something is already
# mounted at $MOUNTPOINT, it is the backup drive. It won't find the drive if
# it was mounted somewhere else.
(mount | grep $MOUNTPOINT) || mount $partition_path $MOUNTPOINT
drive=$(lsblk --inverse --noheadings --list --paths --output name $partition_path | head --lines 1)
echo "Drive path: $drive"
# Log Borg version
borg --version
echo "Starting backup for $DATE"
# Make sure all data is written before creating the snapshot
sync
# Options for borg create
BORG_OPTS="--stats --one-file-system --compression lz4 --checkpoint-interval 86400"
# No one can answer if Borg asks these questions, it is better to just fail quickly
# instead of hanging.
export BORG_RELOCATED_REPO_ACCESS_IS_OK=no
export BORG_UNKNOWN_UNENCRYPTED_REPO_ACCESS_IS_OK=no
#
# Create backups
#
function backup () {
local DISK="$1"
local LABEL="$2"
shift 2
local SNAPSHOT="$DISK-snapshot"
local SNAPSHOT_DIR="/mnt/snapshot/$DISK"
local DIRS=""
while (( "$#" )); do
DIRS="$DIRS $SNAPSHOT_DIR/$1"
shift
done
# Make and mount the snapshot volume
mkdir -p $SNAPSHOT_DIR
lvcreate --size 50G --snapshot --name $SNAPSHOT /dev/data/$DISK
mount /dev/data/$SNAPSHOT $SNAPSHOT_DIR
# Create the backup
borg create $BORG_OPTS $TARGET::$DATE-$DISK $DIRS
# Check the snapshot usage before removing it
lvs
umount $SNAPSHOT_DIR
lvremove --yes /dev/data/$SNAPSHOT
}
# usage: backup <lvm volume> <snapshot name> <list of folders to backup>
backup photos immich immich
# Other backups listed here
echo "Completed backup for $DATE"
# Just to be completely paranoid
sync
if [ -f /etc/backups/autoeject ]; then
umount $MOUNTPOINT
udisksctl power-off -b $drive
fi
# Send a notification
curl -H 'Title: Backup Complete' -d "Server backup for $DATE finished" 'http://10.30.0.1:28080/backups'
Most of my services are stored on individual LVM volumes, all mounted under /mnt, so immich is completely self-contained under /mnt/photos/immich/. The last line of my script sends a notification to my phone using ntfy.
Fireproof safes don’t protect against heat except what’s high enough to combust paper. Temps will still probably be high enough to destroy a drive with a regular fireproof safe.
For me the answer is that I need off site backup anyway for stuff like important digital documents, passwords and more. For me a dedicated storage provider I trust far more than Google/Apple/Microsoft which all have a financial interest in understanding me and my patterns to better sell additional services too me. So I use Dropbox but if you’re more technically inclined and have a lot of data then something akin to say Wasabi could make financial sense.
I use Backblaze B2 for my backups. Storing about 2tb, comes out to about $10/mo, which is on par with Google One pricing. However, I get the benefit of controlling my data, and I use it for tons more than just photos (movies/shows etc).
If you want a cheaper solution and have somewhere else you can store off-site (e.g. family/friend’s house), you can probably use a raspberry pi to make a super cheap backup solution.
We’re talking about data storage, not software. There are real every day costs, maintenance, replacement, power, etc… that are involved in reliably storing data.
I share the sentiment that you should be able to buy software.
Paying for data storage in a single lifetime payment is like buying one square foot of storage space in someone’s apartment for a flat fee and expecting it to actually be there forever.
I bought a Synology that I keep at my in-laws, then use Syncthing to keep my pictures backed up. I just started, so I don’t know how it will go long term.
If anyone else has a better option than Syncthing for Linux to Synology, I would love to hear it.
There was a good blog post about the real cost of storage, but I can’t find it now.
The gist was that to store 1TB of data somewhat reliably, you probably need at least:
mirrored main storage 2TB
frequent/local backup space, also at least mirrored disks 2TB + more if using a versioned backup system
remote / cold storage backup space about the same as the frequent backups
Which amounts to something like 6TB of disk for 1TB of actual data. In real life you’d probably use some other level of RAID, at least for larger amounts so it’s perhaps not as harsh, and compression can reduce the required backup space too.
I have around 130G of data in Nextcloud, and the off-site borg repo for it is about 180G. Then there’s local backups on a mirrored HDD, with the ZFS snapshots that are not yet pruned that’s maybe 200G of raw disk space. So 130G becomes 510G in my setup.
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Backblaze B2 is 6$ a month for 1TB and first 10GB is free. You pay proportionally (it cost me 2-3$ for last 7-8 months for 20-150 GB that accumulated over time). Keep in mind that you will spend more if you download backup, but you should use cloud backup as last resort anyway. I backup to 2nd local disk and also to B2 daily with Kopia. Didnt need backup fortunately, downloading from B2 small files ocasionally just for testing setup
Its not just cheaper, I love it because I dont have to deal with Gshit company
I have my Immich library backed up to Backblaze B2 via Duplicacy. That job runs nightly. I also have a secondary sync to Nextcloud running on another server. That said, I need another off prem backup and will likely run a monthly job to my parents house either via manually copying to an external disk then taking it over or setting up a Pi or other low power server and a VPN to do it remotely.
So you just mount the immich folder in the duplicate container? Or run it native?
Immich and Duplicacy both run on my unraid server. Duplicacy just watches the Immich pics folder and backs that up nightly.
I use backblaze on my synology. I backup photos automatically to it with their built in app on my phone, then every night I run encryped backups. I also could setup an encrypted backup to go to my parent’s synology.
My backup is about 900gb and costs <$5/mo. That is my music, pictures, movies, and TV shows. Obviously that will increase, but well worth the nominal coat to have that much backup encrypted and in the cloud.
Do you use B2 storage?
I do. And since I’ve been slowly taking back control over all my online stuff as much as I can, I’m very happy with it. It gives me peace of mind it’s secure and I am super unlikely to just lose it.
I backup to a external hard disk that I keep in a fireproof and water resistant safe at home. Each service has its own LVM volume which I snapshot and then backup the snapshots with borg, all into one repository. The backup is triggered by a udev rule so it happens automatically when I plug the drive in; the backup script uses ntfy.sh (running locally) to let me know when it is finished so I can put the drive back in the safe. I can share the script later, if anyone is interested.
Please! That sounds like a slick setup.
I followed the guide found here, however with a few modifications.
Notably, I did not encrypt the borg repository, and heavily modified the backup script.
Most of my services are stored on individual LVM volumes, all mounted under
/mnt, so immich is completely self-contained under/mnt/photos/immich/. The last line of my script sends a notification to my phone using ntfy.I am super curious about the udev triggering, didn’t know thats possible!
See my other reply here.
Fireproof safes don’t protect against heat except what’s high enough to combust paper. Temps will still probably be high enough to destroy a drive with a regular fireproof safe.
I would love to see your script! I’m in desperate need of a better backup strategy for my video projects
See my other reply here.
This sounds really interesting, please share.
See my other reply here.
For me the answer is that I need off site backup anyway for stuff like important digital documents, passwords and more. For me a dedicated storage provider I trust far more than Google/Apple/Microsoft which all have a financial interest in understanding me and my patterns to better sell additional services too me. So I use Dropbox but if you’re more technically inclined and have a lot of data then something akin to say Wasabi could make financial sense.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
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I use Backblaze B2 for my backups. Storing about 2tb, comes out to about $10/mo, which is on par with Google One pricing. However, I get the benefit of controlling my data, and I use it for tons more than just photos (movies/shows etc).
If you want a cheaper solution and have somewhere else you can store off-site (e.g. family/friend’s house), you can probably use a raspberry pi to make a super cheap backup solution.
If you have 1tb+ of data you can get a cheaper option just by moving to hetzner (also, even storj is cheaper than backblaze)
This is exactly what I was looking for last night, thank you!
pCloud sells itself as a privacy-focused alternative to Dropbox, Google, iCloud, etc. They’re running a deal right now on lifetime accounts, too.
Never trust a company selling lifetime accounts. It’s entirely unsustainable and eventually the other shoe always drops.
SAAS is a scam
We’re talking about data storage, not software. There are real every day costs, maintenance, replacement, power, etc… that are involved in reliably storing data.
I share the sentiment that you should be able to buy software.
Paying for data storage in a single lifetime payment is like buying one square foot of storage space in someone’s apartment for a flat fee and expecting it to actually be there forever.
I bought a Synology that I keep at my in-laws, then use Syncthing to keep my pictures backed up. I just started, so I don’t know how it will go long term.
If anyone else has a better option than Syncthing for Linux to Synology, I would love to hear it.
There was a good blog post about the real cost of storage, but I can’t find it now.
The gist was that to store 1TB of data somewhat reliably, you probably need at least:
Which amounts to something like 6TB of disk for 1TB of actual data. In real life you’d probably use some other level of RAID, at least for larger amounts so it’s perhaps not as harsh, and compression can reduce the required backup space too.
I have around 130G of data in Nextcloud, and the off-site borg repo for it is about 180G. Then there’s local backups on a mirrored HDD, with the ZFS snapshots that are not yet pruned that’s maybe 200G of raw disk space. So 130G becomes 510G in my setup.