“This just in! People actively in the process of being invaded and murdered reject calls for future peaceful coexistence with invaders who rejected the same calls!”
Actually… in its Declaration of Independence, Israel promised to uphold the UN resolution that would create two states… then merge them into one. They’re just skipping a step… 🙈
It’s kind oh hard to take two state solution seriously at this point given that current isreali leadership has shown such contempt for existing treaties
Or, alternatively, whatever their actual role in the organisation is. In this case, no current formal role, but he is the ex-chairman of Hamas.
Of course, the article would like to pretend he’s still a key figure so it can imply that he speaks for Hamas, but in reality he retired over a decade ago.
“Retired leader”. Yeah, the Times of Israel has always had an agenda, but they seemed to stick to an appearance of seriousness. It’s a bit disappointing to see them fall into silly name calling.
as i recall, the leadership of Israel has also ruled out an independent Palestinian state and a two-state solution, so i’m not sure why it’s news to the Times of Israel that Hamas doesn’t want one either. it’s clearly not advantageous to either party
And Hamas is not actually representative of Palestinians. The majority of people in Gaza are literally not even old enough to have voted last time there was any kind of election.
What Hamas actually is is a group that was funded and propped up by Netanyahu to create an intractable boogie man that Netanyahu could then point too and say “look, Palestinians don’t want a solution, nothing Israel can do about the situation, guess we have no choice but genocide.”
I’m not sure why this is regarded as an acceptable source at all, frankly.
Edit: for more detail, the founder of this paper is Seth Klarman, an American billionaire who also founded university campus initiatives that carry water for Israel and engage in anti-muslim and anti-Arab activities in the US. He’s also involved in blatant propaganda outfits like MEMRI, CAMERA, and Birthright.
And yet we’ll see which story gets more traction in the US press: this one about some random Hamas “bigwig” rejecting two state, or the one from yesterday about Netanyahu himself rejecting two-state.
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“This just in! People actively in the process of being invaded and murdered reject calls for future peaceful coexistence with invaders who rejected the same calls!”
Actually… in its Declaration of Independence, Israel promised to uphold the UN resolution that would create two states… then merge them into one. They’re just skipping a step… 🙈
They were invaded on day one of their state’s existence. This kind of thing tends to throw a wrench into things.
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It’s kind oh hard to take two state solution seriously at this point given that current isreali leadership has shown such contempt for existing treaties
This headline seems biased just by itself. “Bigwig” isn’t exactly a respectful term.
I don’t think that “bigwig” has a negative connotation, but maybe I miss its common use.
Would you use respectful terms for the leaders of a terrorist group?
I wouldn’t use disrespectful terms either, when you have a perfectly good neutral one right there: “leader”.
Or, alternatively, whatever their actual role in the organisation is. In this case, no current formal role, but he is the ex-chairman of Hamas.
Of course, the article would like to pretend he’s still a key figure so it can imply that he speaks for Hamas, but in reality he retired over a decade ago.
“Retired leader”. Yeah, the Times of Israel has always had an agenda, but they seemed to stick to an appearance of seriousness. It’s a bit disappointing to see them fall into silly name calling.
as i recall, the leadership of Israel has also ruled out an independent Palestinian state and a two-state solution, so i’m not sure why it’s news to the Times of Israel that Hamas doesn’t want one either. it’s clearly not advantageous to either party
And Hamas is not actually representative of Palestinians. The majority of people in Gaza are literally not even old enough to have voted last time there was any kind of election.
What Hamas actually is is a group that was funded and propped up by Netanyahu to create an intractable boogie man that Netanyahu could then point too and say “look, Palestinians don’t want a solution, nothing Israel can do about the situation, guess we have no choice but genocide.”
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I’m not sure why this is regarded as an acceptable source at all, frankly.
Edit: for more detail, the founder of this paper is Seth Klarman, an American billionaire who also founded university campus initiatives that carry water for Israel and engage in anti-muslim and anti-Arab activities in the US. He’s also involved in blatant propaganda outfits like MEMRI, CAMERA, and Birthright.
And yet we’ll see which story gets more traction in the US press: this one about some random Hamas “bigwig” rejecting two state, or the one from yesterday about Netanyahu himself rejecting two-state.
for a variety of reasons: