A new TV offers the possibility to watch 4k movies to me. I am thinking about upgrading my library but I’m not sure if I want to replace my 1080 collection.
I’ve read that some use a separate 4k library.
Do you? How do you deal with it? I mostly add movies with trakt and radarr automatically. Do you use separate accounts?
Yep. My Plex server can’t handle multiple 4K streams and neither can my ISPs bandwidth. So it’s 4K download simply for stuff we watch at home and the rest of Plex content is 1080p
For me only certain movies are worth the space on my server that a high quality 4k rip would take up. I do most everything in 1080 and specific films in 4k. Besides that most people aren’t going to see a real difference unless you have a good home theater set up
Same here. I don’t bother with 4k for things like comedies where the visual quality doesn’t matter. I’ve set up profiles for everything up to 4k, and select per film as I add it.
I do as well. Of course most of my older stuff is in 1080p. I always download 4K now whenever it’s available. I use Plex, and Plex allows me to choose which stream quality I want if I have multiple files to choose from. There is an enormous visual difference.
Nah. My older 1080p stuff remains, but I just do 4k only now. Media server is powerful enough to transcode to 1080 on the fly for any device that can’t handle 4k, or for slower network conditions.
I honestly can’t tell the difference between 4K and 1080 unless I’m right up to the screen, so I only have a few choice favorites (that are heavy on the special effects) in 4K. It’s such a massive amount more space just for a slightly better picture.
This right here. We can obviously tell a difference but the leap in quality from 1080p (Blu-ray) to 4k is not the leap that dvd to Blu-ray was. I have most in 1080p and my very few favorites or very iconic movies that benefit from the higher res, in 4k.
I think the only difference is the encoding quality of 1080p can beore noticeable, but if it’s a high quality file then it’s fine. Other than that, dark movies. Dark movies seem to greatly benefit from 4k even on 1080p displays.
Could be the encode again, but I’ve tried a few different versions of files
I’m pretty close to this, I still don’t keep 4k, I re-encode to 2k and save buckets of space for the things I want a really nice copy of. Even on my big screen I’m hard pressed to tell the difference.
Nop, I don’t have a 4k library. To be honest, my TV doesn’t even know what HD ready is. It can handle 1080i, but full HD, nop. (And I already have a hard time seeing the difference between 720p and 1080p)
If you’re only watching on 1 TV, I don’t think there’s any reason to keep them a separate 4k library. And if your server can handle transcoding easily, there’s still not much reason.
If you have an often-used second (or third, etc) TV with lower resolution and your server doesn’t handle transcoding well, then it’s probably worth keeping them separate.
I’ve also started to disagree with the guide about file size. I don’t think I can tell the difference, and I’m not trying to preserve media for the future. So long as the video has the features I want, I think just about any file size is fine.
Yep, 100% the same. Hate it. It’s no biggie for me, though - I’m really the only one who wants 4K content, and I only want it for the stuff that really matters to me.
No, I can’t even tell the difference between 1080p and 4K from across the room on a normal sized TV, so I don’t bother wasting the space for 4K. If I had a nice projector with a huge screen, I would probably go for the 4K videos though.
Thats what I thought until I found out how much 4k projectors cost. Now I think 1080p is enough even for huge screens 😂
Honestly, Ive seen a movie on 80+ screen at 1080p and it looks amazing to me
Yes, I run two instances of Radarr and Sonarr.
One caps out at 1080p, the other one only allows 2160p.
Jellyfin just has two separate libraries for them.
I’m mostly doing this to prevent unecessary transcoding away from home where streaming 4k HDR is unlikely.
At some point I will merge them but bandwidth for 4k streaming is not there yet and proper HDR tone mapping is still rare.
Can I ask why your Jellyfin has two libraries for them? Why not set the naming scheme in your 4K library to do “movie title (year) - 4K.mkv” ? Then Jellyfin recognizes the two quality versions and gives you a version selector for each film that has more than one version
IMO the main reason to go for 4K is the HDR color accuracy.
Most movies are mastered in 1080p regardless, not to mention CGI effects are still mostly rendered at 2K.
But DCI-P3? If your screen can cover the color gamut or mostly cover it (90%+) then I’d go for it.
Personally I just have Radarr setup for 4K HDR and Sonarr setup for 1080p. Jellyfin transcodes 4K to 1080p and HDR to SDR just fine for my purposes (note that I have an Intel N100 box with QSV hardware transcoding and tonemapping setup)
Yes - I have two separate instances of Radarr, each storing their movies in dedicated top-level folders (“Movies” and “Movies-4k”).
Overseerr is used to manage requests, with all 1080p requests being automatically approved, and 4K requests requiring my approval (so I can be frugal with NAS space).
Plex merges both folders into a single Movies library, where I can play either resolution of a given movie (assuming both resolutions exist).
I tried but it was way too much of a pain, especially when Plex does transcode just fine (w/ Intel 11th gen QSV). Except for DV of course, so I have to make sure I get the HDR version.
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Yep. My Plex server can’t handle multiple 4K streams and neither can my ISPs bandwidth. So it’s 4K download simply for stuff we watch at home and the rest of Plex content is 1080p
For me only certain movies are worth the space on my server that a high quality 4k rip would take up. I do most everything in 1080 and specific films in 4k. Besides that most people aren’t going to see a real difference unless you have a good home theater set up
Same here. I don’t bother with 4k for things like comedies where the visual quality doesn’t matter. I’ve set up profiles for everything up to 4k, and select per film as I add it.
I keep both but in the same library.
I do as well. Of course most of my older stuff is in 1080p. I always download 4K now whenever it’s available. I use Plex, and Plex allows me to choose which stream quality I want if I have multiple files to choose from. There is an enormous visual difference.
Me too. I use Emby to watch, and if there are multiple versions, I can select which I want to watch.
Set profiles for the quality of movies you’re looking to download.
Nah. My older 1080p stuff remains, but I just do 4k only now. Media server is powerful enough to transcode to 1080 on the fly for any device that can’t handle 4k, or for slower network conditions.
I honestly can’t tell the difference between 4K and 1080 unless I’m right up to the screen, so I only have a few choice favorites (that are heavy on the special effects) in 4K. It’s such a massive amount more space just for a slightly better picture.
This right here. We can obviously tell a difference but the leap in quality from 1080p (Blu-ray) to 4k is not the leap that dvd to Blu-ray was. I have most in 1080p and my very few favorites or very iconic movies that benefit from the higher res, in 4k.
I think the only difference is the encoding quality of 1080p can beore noticeable, but if it’s a high quality file then it’s fine. Other than that, dark movies. Dark movies seem to greatly benefit from 4k even on 1080p displays.
Could be the encode again, but I’ve tried a few different versions of files
I’m pretty close to this, I still don’t keep 4k, I re-encode to 2k and save buckets of space for the things I want a really nice copy of. Even on my big screen I’m hard pressed to tell the difference.
I remember an article explaining 4k in theater was interesting only if your screen was over 10meter wide, it was maybe 7 or 8 years ago.
Back then the debate for theaters was should be the “next gen” be 48fps, or 4k.
Nop, I don’t have a 4k library. To be honest, my TV doesn’t even know what HD ready is. It can handle 1080i, but full HD, nop. (And I already have a hard time seeing the difference between 720p and 1080p)
If you’re only watching on 1 TV, I don’t think there’s any reason to keep them a separate 4k library. And if your server can handle transcoding easily, there’s still not much reason.
If you have an often-used second (or third, etc) TV with lower resolution and your server doesn’t handle transcoding well, then it’s probably worth keeping them separate.
I’ve also started to disagree with the guide about file size. I don’t think I can tell the difference, and I’m not trying to preserve media for the future. So long as the video has the features I want, I think just about any file size is fine.
The only problem is that Radarr doesn’t support multiple copies/editions. You need to run two Radarr instances.
Why wouldn’t you just have the 4k versions then? It’s not like 1080p screens are making a comeback.
I have kids that like to stream on their own devices, and they’re not all 4K. Saves my server from overworking itself by not having to transcode.
Ah, I tend to avoid transcoding. Browsers are pretty shit for codec support.
Yep, 100% the same. Hate it. It’s no biggie for me, though - I’m really the only one who wants 4K content, and I only want it for the stuff that really matters to me.
No, I can’t even tell the difference between 1080p and 4K from across the room on a normal sized TV, so I don’t bother wasting the space for 4K. If I had a nice projector with a huge screen, I would probably go for the 4K videos though.
Thats what I thought until I found out how much 4k projectors cost. Now I think 1080p is enough even for huge screens 😂 Honestly, Ive seen a movie on 80+ screen at 1080p and it looks amazing to me
Yes, I run two instances of Radarr and Sonarr. One caps out at 1080p, the other one only allows 2160p.
Jellyfin just has two separate libraries for them.
I’m mostly doing this to prevent unecessary transcoding away from home where streaming 4k HDR is unlikely. At some point I will merge them but bandwidth for 4k streaming is not there yet and proper HDR tone mapping is still rare.
Can I ask why your Jellyfin has two libraries for them? Why not set the naming scheme in your 4K library to do “movie title (year) - 4K.mkv” ? Then Jellyfin recognizes the two quality versions and gives you a version selector for each film that has more than one version
Yes, I don’t want external users to accidentally play the 4k version so I only give access to people who I know can handle it.
IMO the main reason to go for 4K is the HDR color accuracy.
Most movies are mastered in 1080p regardless, not to mention CGI effects are still mostly rendered at 2K.
But DCI-P3? If your screen can cover the color gamut or mostly cover it (90%+) then I’d go for it.
Personally I just have Radarr setup for 4K HDR and Sonarr setup for 1080p. Jellyfin transcodes 4K to 1080p and HDR to SDR just fine for my purposes (note that I have an Intel N100 box with QSV hardware transcoding and tonemapping setup)
I download 4K if I can get it. I delete after I’ve watched it.
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Yes - I have two separate instances of Radarr, each storing their movies in dedicated top-level folders (“Movies” and “Movies-4k”).
Overseerr is used to manage requests, with all 1080p requests being automatically approved, and 4K requests requiring my approval (so I can be frugal with NAS space).
Plex merges both folders into a single Movies library, where I can play either resolution of a given movie (assuming both resolutions exist).
I tried but it was way too much of a pain, especially when Plex does transcode just fine (w/ Intel 11th gen QSV). Except for DV of course, so I have to make sure I get the HDR version.
I would try the „retina formula“ to see, if the upgrade would benefit me.
Basically apples retina displays are engineered, that either the selected pixel density, pixel size and typical viewing distance, single pixels cannot be seen by the human eye. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retina_display?wprov=sfti1#Rationale
If you have a small tv and it is several meters away from you, my guess would be that the difference is not that big.