This video is not monetized. This video covers our serious concerns regarding the data accuracy of Linus Media Group, including Linus Tech Tips, ShortCircuit...
My personal thoughts
At first it came off a bit whiney, but I watched the entire thing and I’m glad I did. It shows a pattern of carelessness and in some cases complete douchebaggery of LMG.
What they did to Billet Labs is absolutely un-fucking excusable. LMG and Linus, in particular, needs to be mercilessly shamed for that until Billet Labs gets a clear and unequivocal apology and paid restitution for damages. Fucking shameful. What a bunch of pricks.
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This video is not monetized. This video covers our serious concerns regarding the data accuracy of Linus Media Group, including Linus Tech Tips, ShortCircuit, and TechQuickie, particularly as it relates to rushing content out the door to favor – by staff’s own admission – quantity over quality. As the company continues to expand into its LTT Labs direction, the importance of accurate data increases; however, even as ‘only’ entertainment, there are still certain responsibilities to the consumer and the manufacturers to report fairly (and to have defined corrections processes in place). We tried to approach this as objectively as possible and hope that viewers are able to listen to the evidence we present, particularly as it relates to significant and frequent data errors that now present in nearly every technical review video.
not to cast doubt on anything he says here, but steve has increasingly been making ‘dunk’ videos for the past year or two. i feel like his channel has been trying to find (or create) exposés, because those are the videos that pop off. starting from the video of that NZXT case that caused fires.
again, not to cast doubt on the experiences of billet labs, but i question steve’s intentions in presenting this. i hope this discussion doesn’t end up revolving around gamers nexus.
I felt the same and was wary to even watch this. Seems like something to discuss privately first. But it’s full of solid points, and I think the amount of public mistakes from LMG makes it a little easier to accept.
The last time something like this happened it was made clear GN was going to cover LMG as the corporation it is, not as an individual where you might hash things out privately first.
What frustrates me is that if you’re going in under the guise of journalistic integrity, why not ask for comment from LMG?
Steve made a lot of solid points, but if you never give them a chance to explain themselves, then it just looks like drama click bait. It’s turning me off to techtubers as a whole, both LMG and GN. The backbiting from GN is frustrating, and the maddening pace of faulty LMG videos is sad.
It’s true that would be the ideal way to go about this. However, I’m also weighing that vs Linus saying this should’ve been handled privately (which implies off the record).
As soon as I saw who the video was by it’s a hard pass for me. This is drama for clicks, nothing more. Steve could do something worthwhile with his time instead of these silly reaction style videos for the YouTube algorithm. Like Linus stated, if he really had issues, and actually felt a concern about anything in the video he would have reached out. Not doing that makes this no better than the bot created trash for clicks IMHO.
They can do both, and if their stance is at all ideologically motivated, then it is necessary to focus on more than just the low hanging fruit of doing reviews.
The free software movement is more than just the free software existing. It is also congruent to the laws that permit it and extending rights
Right to repair is about more than simply fixing things. It’s about going after companies and lobbying to get actual rights enshrined into law.
Have only seen the clip of the LMG employee saying what they said from GN’s video, but seems quite an over-reaction from GN and the other company IMO. Definitely some form of baiting for views, even if parts of the video are valid.
LTT: says they want more accuracy, so they build a whole fucking lab for it.
Also LTT: puts bad data into the video anyway because time
That’s literally enough said. It’s not an attack on LMG, it’s pointing out legitimate concerns about LMGs internal processes because these easy to catch errors are getting through all the time.
They test a water block prototype on a card it wasn’t designed for, and then review it as a finished product with the bad data.
It’s a pattern over a long period of time that has been called out by the community. GN is fully right to be putting this out there. Even if you disagree with Steve’s assessment, he’s right to be pointing out things he has concerns with.
Yeah, once you stop playing up the entertainment angle, but try to be a go to resource for consumer buying decisions the kid gloves come off. Hashing things out privately in that area is how you lose legitimacy if trying to seem credible and not playing favorites is the image you are trying to project to viewers.
That video I’m sure (if like the last - I’m not clicking it GN deserves no clicks) is just more drama video and nothing “journalistic” about it. It’s just another reaction style video to feed the algorithm and give him free hyped up drama views. The sooner we stop rewarding content like this, the sooner the Internet become a little less toxic and full of bot made videos.
Right. Many are hitting with the “it should have been handled in private” line, and it’s kind of annoying. Journalists report on things, and GN did just that. Reported on an issue that has been gaining in public discussion over time. This deserved transparency, and I hope that having it put out there will help LMG/LTT fix their shit. I’m sure I can speak for most of us in saying that we WANT LMG/LTT to SUCCEED. We want to see them produce quality content. But they can’t do that with accurate information right now, despite their public desire to provide that.
If you see the response to my comment that you responsed to you see that someone made a response along lines of what Gamers Nexus said near the end
I hope that people listened before they just jumped to the OMG drama wall comments
Found that funny, and does show why some of the comments are dismissive of the situation thinking it is just drama, and see it more as their favorite content creator being attacked than an assessment of the quality of reviews meant for consumers.
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not to cast doubt on anything he says here, but steve has increasingly been making ‘dunk’ videos for the past year or two. i feel like his channel has been trying to find (or create) exposés, because those are the videos that pop off. starting from the video of that NZXT case that caused fires.
again, not to cast doubt on the experiences of billet labs, but i question steve’s intentions in presenting this. i hope this discussion doesn’t end up revolving around gamers nexus.
I felt the same and was wary to even watch this. Seems like something to discuss privately first. But it’s full of solid points, and I think the amount of public mistakes from LMG makes it a little easier to accept.
The last time something like this happened it was made clear GN was going to cover LMG as the corporation it is, not as an individual where you might hash things out privately first.
Based, even if it makes high school me sad
What frustrates me is that if you’re going in under the guise of journalistic integrity, why not ask for comment from LMG?
Steve made a lot of solid points, but if you never give them a chance to explain themselves, then it just looks like drama click bait. It’s turning me off to techtubers as a whole, both LMG and GN. The backbiting from GN is frustrating, and the maddening pace of faulty LMG videos is sad.
It’s true that would be the ideal way to go about this. However, I’m also weighing that vs Linus saying this should’ve been handled privately (which implies off the record).
As soon as I saw who the video was by it’s a hard pass for me. This is drama for clicks, nothing more. Steve could do something worthwhile with his time instead of these silly reaction style videos for the YouTube algorithm. Like Linus stated, if he really had issues, and actually felt a concern about anything in the video he would have reached out. Not doing that makes this no better than the bot created trash for clicks IMHO.
They can do both, and if their stance is at all ideologically motivated, then it is necessary to focus on more than just the low hanging fruit of doing reviews.
The free software movement is more than just the free software existing. It is also congruent to the laws that permit it and extending rights
Right to repair is about more than simply fixing things. It’s about going after companies and lobbying to get actual rights enshrined into law.
because those are the videos that pop off.
Yeah, drama gets clicks,
But Steve did say at the beginning, that this video is unmonetized.
So I give him credit for taking that step.
Doesn’t mean it’s not a growth based move. Unmonetized means no ads right? And you still get the exposure.
Have only seen the clip of the LMG employee saying what they said from GN’s video, but seems quite an over-reaction from GN and the other company IMO. Definitely some form of baiting for views, even if parts of the video are valid.
LTT: says they want more accuracy, so they build a whole fucking lab for it.
Also LTT: puts bad data into the video anyway because time
That’s literally enough said. It’s not an attack on LMG, it’s pointing out legitimate concerns about LMGs internal processes because these easy to catch errors are getting through all the time.
They test a water block prototype on a card it wasn’t designed for, and then review it as a finished product with the bad data.
It’s a pattern over a long period of time that has been called out by the community. GN is fully right to be putting this out there. Even if you disagree with Steve’s assessment, he’s right to be pointing out things he has concerns with.
Yeah, once you stop playing up the entertainment angle, but try to be a go to resource for consumer buying decisions the kid gloves come off. Hashing things out privately in that area is how you lose legitimacy if trying to seem credible and not playing favorites is the image you are trying to project to viewers.
That video I’m sure (if like the last - I’m not clicking it GN deserves no clicks) is just more drama video and nothing “journalistic” about it. It’s just another reaction style video to feed the algorithm and give him free hyped up drama views. The sooner we stop rewarding content like this, the sooner the Internet become a little less toxic and full of bot made videos.
Right. Many are hitting with the “it should have been handled in private” line, and it’s kind of annoying. Journalists report on things, and GN did just that. Reported on an issue that has been gaining in public discussion over time. This deserved transparency, and I hope that having it put out there will help LMG/LTT fix their shit. I’m sure I can speak for most of us in saying that we WANT LMG/LTT to SUCCEED. We want to see them produce quality content. But they can’t do that with accurate information right now, despite their public desire to provide that.
If you see the response to my comment that you responsed to you see that someone made a response along lines of what Gamers Nexus said near the end
Found that funny, and does show why some of the comments are dismissive of the situation thinking it is just drama, and see it more as their favorite content creator being attacked than an assessment of the quality of reviews meant for consumers.
Yes and that’s called clickbait. GN is just wasting everybody’s time making big drama out of utter trivialities.
not to come off overly negative- steve also does great work. i hope we hear from LMG soon <3