“over-stressing workers and pressing them to be as efficient as possible, causing them to cut corners with safety” is such a universal point of failure that it’s frequent in every modern industry and a contributing factor in a huge number of workplace incidents and industrial disasters. respectfully, you would have to actively ignore reality to hold the position you currently do, and if you think that’s the worker’s fault and not the company incentivizing them to do unsafe things to keep their jobs, i can really only describe you as a corporate apologist or bootlicker
the company incentivizing them to do unsafe things
I presume you have evidence that you’d like to present to back up the idea that this is indeed what’s happening? Or are we just assuming that’s what happened?
Trust me, they don’t want you to get hurt. It costs them a whole lot more than any perceived increase in productivity when you get hurt. I’ve worked at corps that were on my back all day long about safety, to an annoying degree, and it wasn’t out of genuine concern, I promise.
i can really only describe you as a corporate apologist or bootlicker
Well that’s incredibly rude and unnecessary. Is this how you treat everyone you have disagreements with?
FWIW I’ve been a mechanical engineer for decades and they are right about this. Trust me instead. They’re probably reacting with hostility because you’re way out of line here; what you’re arguing is anti-labor.
There is a profitable balance between productivity and safety, and they’ll say one thing while firing people who are too unproductive.
I’ve been a mechanical engineer for decades and they are right about this.
What does you being a mechanical engineer have to do with anything? Are you a mechanical engineer at Tesla? Do you have evidence you’d like to provide to back up your claims?
what you’re arguing is anti-labor
What I’m arguing is pro-sense. Being objective and not making assumptions does not make me anti-labor. Jumping into the deep end and just piling on anyone accused of abuse with zero justification is a bad look and you’re shooting yourself if the foot when you do it.
There is a profitable balance between productivity and safety
Of course there is. So why are we just instantly assuming that they’re not walking it? That every accident is the result of management pressure and not employee negligence of safety protocols?
Could very well be either/or but you and this other clown are the only ones making definitive statements without any evidence.
Oh so your experience matters, but mine doesn’t? I’ve presented the same quality of evidence that you have. There isn’t a worse “look” than tirelessly arguing that labor is at fault for what we’re de facto forced to do.
…what experience? Where did you see me present an anecdote about my personal experience? Why don’t you answer the question I asked instead of deflecting?
I’ve presented the same quality of evidence that you have
You’ve provided zero evidence. Literally nothing except appealing to your profession and then refusing to explain anything about how that qualified you to speak on the topic.
I don’t need evidence, because as I just said in the comment you’ve just replied to, I haven’t made any claims.
There isn’t a worse “look” than tirelessly arguing that labor is at fault
…what? I think you replied to the wrong person.
for what we’re de facto forced to do.
Huh? No one is forcing you to labor, that’s called slavery, and it’s very illegal. You have to contribute something to society before you take from it but I’m not really sure what that has to do with any of this.
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no, it will not and does not.
“over-stressing workers and pressing them to be as efficient as possible, causing them to cut corners with safety” is such a universal point of failure that it’s frequent in every modern industry and a contributing factor in a huge number of workplace incidents and industrial disasters. respectfully, you would have to actively ignore reality to hold the position you currently do, and if you think that’s the worker’s fault and not the company incentivizing them to do unsafe things to keep their jobs, i can really only describe you as a corporate apologist or bootlicker
Keyword in your statement is “over”.
I presume you have evidence that you’d like to present to back up the idea that this is indeed what’s happening? Or are we just assuming that’s what happened?
Trust me, they don’t want you to get hurt. It costs them a whole lot more than any perceived increase in productivity when you get hurt. I’ve worked at corps that were on my back all day long about safety, to an annoying degree, and it wasn’t out of genuine concern, I promise.
Well that’s incredibly rude and unnecessary. Is this how you treat everyone you have disagreements with?
FWIW I’ve been a mechanical engineer for decades and they are right about this. Trust me instead. They’re probably reacting with hostility because you’re way out of line here; what you’re arguing is anti-labor.
There is a profitable balance between productivity and safety, and they’ll say one thing while firing people who are too unproductive.
What does you being a mechanical engineer have to do with anything? Are you a mechanical engineer at Tesla? Do you have evidence you’d like to provide to back up your claims?
What I’m arguing is pro-sense. Being objective and not making assumptions does not make me anti-labor. Jumping into the deep end and just piling on anyone accused of abuse with zero justification is a bad look and you’re shooting yourself if the foot when you do it.
Of course there is. So why are we just instantly assuming that they’re not walking it? That every accident is the result of management pressure and not employee negligence of safety protocols?
Could very well be either/or but you and this other clown are the only ones making definitive statements without any evidence.
Oh so your experience matters, but mine doesn’t? I’ve presented the same quality of evidence that you have. There isn’t a worse “look” than tirelessly arguing that labor is at fault for what we’re de facto forced to do.
…what experience? Where did you see me present an anecdote about my personal experience? Why don’t you answer the question I asked instead of deflecting?
You’ve provided zero evidence. Literally nothing except appealing to your profession and then refusing to explain anything about how that qualified you to speak on the topic.
I don’t need evidence, because as I just said in the comment you’ve just replied to, I haven’t made any claims.
…what? I think you replied to the wrong person.
Huh? No one is forcing you to labor, that’s called slavery, and it’s very illegal. You have to contribute something to society before you take from it but I’m not really sure what that has to do with any of this.