It's not just Netflix, Spotify, and YouTube that don't have apps for Apple's Vision Pro at launch. New App Store data indicates the new mixed reality
I left the headline like the original, but I see this as a massive win for Apple. The device is ridiculously expensive, isn’t even on sale yet and already has 150 apps specifically designed for that.
If Google did this, it wouldn’t even get 150 dedicated apps even years after launch (and the guaranteed demise of it) and even if it was something super cheap like being made of fucking cardboard.
This is something that as an Android user I envy a lot from the Apple ecosystem.
Apple: this is a new feature => devs implement them in their apps the very next day even if it launches officially in 6 months.
Google: this is a new feature => devs ignore it, apps start to support it after 5-6 Android versions
To me it’s like the XReal Pro 2 with a bigger screen but bloated into 10x its price and basically the same gestures that were garbage on Microsoft Hololens. Tbf Hololens was astonishingly horrible at gesture recognition.
And imagine you have to tap the software keyboard floating in the air… Yup, that’s how it worked with the Windows OS on Hololens. Jesus, I had to input my 30-letter workplace account PW on a keyboard that had some petite keys floating mid-air and away from me, switching between the alphabets and symbols modes every few air taps.
I could almost never log in because it was impossible to tap the correct keys for 30 times straight. Make one mistake, BS, but then the BS key was also small and I rarely could tap the BS correctly. Yeah, you try to remove a character and instead insert another wrong one till you miraculously manage to BS for exactly the correct number of times.
Virtual “floating mid air” keyboards are never going to be good. Even “projected over your fingers” keyboards are going to tank.
What AR should allow though, is using either a normal keyboard, or using a physical surface as a keyboard, with tactile feedback and no confusion about whether you’ve hit a key or not.
Agreed, I worry about this too. The Quest uses a similar gesture with hand tracking (finger pinching to click) and it feels really frustrating compared to the much more direct feel you get with the included controllers.
With the Apple you don’t even have controllers available if you want them so gesture tracking must work perfectly. Apple does have a lot of experience in getting stuff like that just right, but I really wonder whether eyetracking + pinching is comfortable for hours.
Supposedly the gestures are one thing they did a really solid job of based on the demo recaps I’ve watched. And the eye tracking supposedly works quite well for focus state switching. The main complaint I’ve heard is that the virtual keyboard sucks.
I’ll be really interested to see more in depth reviews when they start coming out.
The main complaint I’ve heard is that the virtual keyboard sucks.
Yeah that I can imagine. I think it would be really annoying and exhausting having to type by looking at the letters. This is how you control the mouse pointer, right?
Here’s what that Mark Gurman dude (Apple/Tech journalist for Bloomberg) tweeted about it:
The Vision Pro virtual keyboard is a complete write-off at least in 1.0. You have to poke each key one finger at a time like you did before you learned how to type. There is no magical in-air typing. You can also look at a character and pinch. You’ll want a Bluetooth keyboard.
So sounds like its either poke or look + pinch gesture and both options suck for a keyboard. I just think a virtual keyboard is a very difficult problem to solve for for several reasons which is why every attempt at them thus far has been shit.
And that’s kinda the whole problem with VR/MR. It’s some of the absolute hardest computing and optical and battery hardware and UI challenges we can find, all bundled into one product. It’s just an incredibly steep task and a lot of the solves aren’t even really a matter of “oh this is expensive” as much as it is “we’re not sure if this is even possible right now.”
I really hope we eventually get a fully mature device. I quite like VR and see so much potential in it.
Ok yes with Oculus it’s similar actually. You can poke at the letters but the problem is the exact depth detection is not so great (mainly because you’re pointing directly away from the tracking cams with your finger) so it’s a bit of a hit and miss.
And moving the “virtual mouse pointer” and then pinching is also a pain to do. My oculus doesn’t have eye tracking but you can move your hand to move the “pointer”.
Both methods are a PITA. Using the controllers to point and then click the trigger is better but it’s still slow going of course that way. It’s like typing on a keyboard hanging in front of you by pressing the keys with a stick. Considering that’s the most comfortable option (which the Vision Pro doesn’t have for lack of controllers), it’s pretty sad.
But yeah I see the potential too… I hope it will come to pass.
I can imagine a return to some sort of t9 style typing where you could wear a thin sensor on your finger tips then tap certain fingers a certain number of times to enter specific characters. People who were used to typing with t9 could do it very quickly and without looking.
True, but it’s still about adapting the user to the tech instead of the other way around. I don’t think Apple will go for that.
I would personally think more in the direction of a separate sensor you can place in the house, from a third-person point of view the finger tracking will be much easier to do because you are not moving straight away from the camera.
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To me it’s like the XReal Pro 2 with a bigger screen but bloated into 10x its price and basically the same gestures that were garbage on Microsoft Hololens. Tbf Hololens was astonishingly horrible at gesture recognition.
And imagine you have to tap the software keyboard floating in the air… Yup, that’s how it worked with the Windows OS on Hololens. Jesus, I had to input my 30-letter workplace account PW on a keyboard that had some petite keys floating mid-air and away from me, switching between the alphabets and symbols modes every few air taps.
I could almost never log in because it was impossible to tap the correct keys for 30 times straight. Make one mistake, BS, but then the BS key was also small and I rarely could tap the BS correctly. Yeah, you try to remove a character and instead insert another wrong one till you miraculously manage to BS for exactly the correct number of times.
Virtual “floating mid air” keyboards are never going to be good. Even “projected over your fingers” keyboards are going to tank.
What AR should allow though, is using either a normal keyboard, or using a physical surface as a keyboard, with tactile feedback and no confusion about whether you’ve hit a key or not.
Agreed, I worry about this too. The Quest uses a similar gesture with hand tracking (finger pinching to click) and it feels really frustrating compared to the much more direct feel you get with the included controllers.
With the Apple you don’t even have controllers available if you want them so gesture tracking must work perfectly. Apple does have a lot of experience in getting stuff like that just right, but I really wonder whether eyetracking + pinching is comfortable for hours.
Supposedly the gestures are one thing they did a really solid job of based on the demo recaps I’ve watched. And the eye tracking supposedly works quite well for focus state switching. The main complaint I’ve heard is that the virtual keyboard sucks.
I’ll be really interested to see more in depth reviews when they start coming out.
Yeah that I can imagine. I think it would be really annoying and exhausting having to type by looking at the letters. This is how you control the mouse pointer, right?
But I really hope I can see it for real some day.
Here’s what that Mark Gurman dude (Apple/Tech journalist for Bloomberg) tweeted about it:
So sounds like its either poke or look + pinch gesture and both options suck for a keyboard. I just think a virtual keyboard is a very difficult problem to solve for for several reasons which is why every attempt at them thus far has been shit.
And that’s kinda the whole problem with VR/MR. It’s some of the absolute hardest computing and optical and battery hardware and UI challenges we can find, all bundled into one product. It’s just an incredibly steep task and a lot of the solves aren’t even really a matter of “oh this is expensive” as much as it is “we’re not sure if this is even possible right now.”
I really hope we eventually get a fully mature device. I quite like VR and see so much potential in it.
Ok yes with Oculus it’s similar actually. You can poke at the letters but the problem is the exact depth detection is not so great (mainly because you’re pointing directly away from the tracking cams with your finger) so it’s a bit of a hit and miss.
And moving the “virtual mouse pointer” and then pinching is also a pain to do. My oculus doesn’t have eye tracking but you can move your hand to move the “pointer”.
Both methods are a PITA. Using the controllers to point and then click the trigger is better but it’s still slow going of course that way. It’s like typing on a keyboard hanging in front of you by pressing the keys with a stick. Considering that’s the most comfortable option (which the Vision Pro doesn’t have for lack of controllers), it’s pretty sad.
But yeah I see the potential too… I hope it will come to pass.
I can imagine a return to some sort of t9 style typing where you could wear a thin sensor on your finger tips then tap certain fingers a certain number of times to enter specific characters. People who were used to typing with t9 could do it very quickly and without looking.
True, but it’s still about adapting the user to the tech instead of the other way around. I don’t think Apple will go for that.
I would personally think more in the direction of a separate sensor you can place in the house, from a third-person point of view the finger tracking will be much easier to do because you are not moving straight away from the camera.